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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2024 15:04:41 GMT 1
Thanks for this thought there was some mention of it and that Hoggy had to arrange it himself due to tax implications (?) for the club but then nothing since. Shame nothing arranged - feel 10+ years at a club deserves some recognition at least whatever your thoughts are on him. I think the last testimonial I went to was for Dick Taylor and Peter Fletcher v Forest 1983 ish. They needed the money when their careers were ended due to injury. Different thing now,especially with the cost of living crisis and Hoggy being a very well paid servant. (Oops said it again.) Remember that. Clough bringing his Forest side , who were a top team at the time. Might be wrong but I think the turnout was pretty disappointing..maybe 3 or 4000, which was well below what we were getting for normal games at the time. You'd think it would be pretty easy to designate the 'big' home friendly we usually have each summer as a testimonial and have all proceeds going to Hoggs favourite charity ( Middlesbrough Ferret Sanctuary ) |
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Post by Bubbles on Oct 7, 2024 15:22:04 GMT 1
I think the last testimonial I went to was for Dick Taylor and Peter Fletcher v Forest 1983 ish. They needed the money when their careers were ended due to injury. Different thing now,especially with the cost of living crisis and Hoggy being a very well paid servant. (Oops said it again.) Remember that. Clough bringing his Forest side , who were a top team at the time. Might be wrong but I think the turnout was pretty disappointing..maybe 3 or 4000, which was well below what we were getting for normal games at the time. You'd think it would be pretty easy to designate the 'big' home friendly we usually have each summer as a testimonial and have all proceeds going to Hoggs favourite charity ( Middlesbrough Ferret Sanctuary ) I've still got the programme somewhere. You might be right about the attendance,can't remember. I do however remember we lost 0-1,Peter Davenport scored the Forest goal and David Burke hit the bar for us from the edge of the box. Can't remember what I had for me tea yesterday like.... |
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Post by m62terrier on Oct 7, 2024 15:49:01 GMT 1
A good servant..but “greatest ever players.” Really? Played in Prem with distinction. Captained the side for years. I'm not saying he has matched Pirlo, but for Town, he MUST be up there. He is up to 9th now, 383 appearances. Could possible catch 8th Dave Cowling (393), 7th Hugh Turner (394) and 6th Malcolm Brown (403) before the season is over. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 7, 2024 16:26:23 GMT 1
Oh, and While I'm here, he's NOT "a servant", never has been. He's been paid £££ beyond the dreams of most on here. But no one should doubt his commitment, or his ability, despite that. Bring back Nick. Servant is just a figure of speech Mr.Pedant and you know it! Decent pro but if he’s one of our greatest ever players .. Well like I said,each to their own. They know it so does the Oxford Dictionary, a "devoted and helpful follower or supporter". The general was bad enough, why not the Field Marshal or Admiral of the Fleet but one of our greatest players. Stupid names don't change reality, he was a decent player but Ray Wilson, Frank Worthington, Dennis Law, Andy Booth, Marcus Stewart, Aaron Mooy not a chance. in which universe The general now one of our greatest players, where does the adulation end. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2024 16:47:31 GMT 1
So hes the 7th greatest post war player in your view?
Doesnt that qualify him as 'one of the greatest'?
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Post by Ross83 on Oct 7, 2024 17:52:07 GMT 1
Has there been any confirmation whether he is / isn’t having a testimonial game etc? I read over a year ago that there was a possibility of this taking place this summer before the start of the season, involving the players and staff that were here when we achieved our PL promotion. Brilliant idea to not only allow us to pay homage to Hogg but a moment in our history, we’ll never forget. Not heard a thing since then so can only guess that because of the turmoil in the last 12 months , plans had to be shelved. Hopefully just waiting for a few Leeds players and Harry Arter to accept the invite for the opposition team 😁 |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 7, 2024 18:11:06 GMT 1
I read over a year ago that there was a possibility of this taking place this summer before the start of the season, involving the players and staff that were here when we achieved our PL promotion. Brilliant idea to not only allow us to pay homage to Hogg but a moment in our history, we’ll never forget. Not heard a thing since then so can only guess that because of the turmoil in the last 12 months , plans had to be shelved. Hopefully just waiting for a few Leeds players and Harry Arter to accept the invite for the opposition team 😁 Brilliant. Be great if Arter turned up! |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 7, 2024 19:25:04 GMT 1
So hes the 7th greatest post war player in your view? Doesnt that qualify him as 'one of the greatest'? We need a TEAM that grafts and has passion at the moment, all the flim flam doesn't change that. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 7, 2024 19:31:52 GMT 1
So hes the 7th greatest post war player in your view? Doesnt that qualify him as 'one of the greatest'? We need a TEAM that grafts and has passion at the moment, all the flim flam doesn't change that. Yes,.. but not sure what that has to do with what were talking about though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2024 19:32:04 GMT 1
So hes the 7th greatest post war player in your view? Doesnt that qualify him as 'one of the greatest'? We need a TEAM that grafts and has passion at the moment, all the flim flam doesn't change that. what’s that got to do with hogg🤣 |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Oct 7, 2024 20:13:22 GMT 1
We need a TEAM that grafts and has passion at the moment, all the flim flam doesn't change that. what’s that got to do with hogg🤣 Seriously, was that too complicated. I know words like graft and passion mean very little to some. Win or lose (mostly lose) it's still just entertainment as the team goes onward and upward to the Prem, I mean mid table L1 or worse. Hogg is a decent player, he is not a great and anyone who thinks he is should maybe consider watching darts rather than football. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2024 20:50:06 GMT 1
what’s that got to do with hogg🤣 Seriously, was that too complicated. I know words like graft and passion mean very little to some. Win or lose (mostly lose) it's still just entertainment as the team goes onward and upward to the Prem, I mean mid table L1 or worse. Hogg is a decent player, he is not a great and anyone who thinks he is should maybe consider watching darts rather than football. Clearly too complicated for me then as I don’t understand😂 |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Oct 7, 2024 21:39:24 GMT 1
what’s that got to do with hogg🤣 Seriously, was that too complicated. I know words like graft and passion mean very little to some. Win or lose (mostly lose) it's still just entertainment as the team goes onward and upward to the Prem, I mean mid table L1 or worse. Hogg is a decent player, he is not a great and anyone who thinks he is should maybe consider watching darts rather than football. I’m guessing you mean that Hogg gets praise for doing something that’s the bare minimum. Nobody has ever mentioned Hoggs actual football skill because they know that would be a losing battle. He’s been a great servant but every player should show that passion. He only stands out as one of the longest serving players through a period of downfall. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2024 0:00:22 GMT 1
Jesus wept..so Hoggs not even been a good player now?
Again..hes been a mainstay, picked by each of a very long list of managers, throughout the best period this clubs had in the entire second half of its history.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 8, 2024 6:52:55 GMT 1
Thanks for this thought there was some mention of it and that Hoggy had to arrange it himself due to tax implications (?) for the club but then nothing since. Shame nothing arranged - feel 10+ years at a club deserves some recognition at least whatever your thoughts are on him. I think the last testimonial I went to was for Dick Taylor and Peter Fletcher v Forest 1983 ish. They needed the money when their careers were ended due to injury. Different thing now,especially with the cost of living crisis and Hoggy being a very well paid servant. (Oops said it again.)    |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 8, 2024 7:01:29 GMT 1
So we can win without him after all A sly shot at one of our greatest ever players, but well done, you. All I said was Jehovah!! |
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Post by Bubbles on Oct 8, 2024 8:24:15 GMT 1
"He's not one of our greatest ever players...
He's a very naughty boy!"
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Post by irverino on Oct 8, 2024 10:12:10 GMT 1
Jesus wept..so Hoggs not even been a good player now? Again..hes been a mainstay, picked by each of a very long list of managers, throughout the best period this clubs had in the entire second half of its history. Alongside players like Schindler & Mooy who would be in a lot all time eleven teams selected by fans (especially those since PL), we've definitely had our monies worth out of Hoggy & its quite remarkable to think the number of games he's played after the career threatening injury he sustained in his early days.........I think Watford should have asked for a bit more? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2024 10:32:13 GMT 1
Particularly in an era where weve spaffed untold amounts of money down the drain, the £600k (??) we spent on Hogg has to be one of the best bits of business the clubs ever done.
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 8, 2024 11:14:57 GMT 1
The conversation about Hogg being a great servant to the club is an interesting one.
He has indeed been here a long time and played a lot of matches for the club.
However, he joined us from Watford because he wanted to be nearer to his family, based in Middlesbrough I think.
So is it a question of Hogg being a great servant or just that very few other clubs, at our level or above, that are near to his family, actually wanted to sign him? So we were convenient for him and he was a good player for us?
It's a bit like Danny Ward. The only reason Ward joined us from Cardiff was because his wife, daughter and step son lived in Huddersfield. He met his wife when he played for us for 3.5 seasons initially. He left Cardiff and came to us so he could live in Kirkburton and now Skelmanthorpe and be with them. At the end of his initial 3 year contract, NW gave him another 2 year deal....By the end of this season, Danny Ward will have played 9 seasons for us, including his initial loan spell. He's currently on 271 appearances for the club. That put's him in 31s on the all time appearances list, just 4 places and 12 appearances behind World Cup Winner Ray Wilson. It's quite possible that by the end of the season he'll have played more matches for Town than Ray Wilson!!! So does that make him a great servant of the club??
I know that people will shoot my down for comparing Hogg to Ward. But they've spent 12 & 9 seasons with us respectively....Great servants or just good players playing for a team close to their family?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 8, 2024 11:43:28 GMT 1
The conversation about Hogg being a great servant to the club is an interesting one. He has indeed been here a long time and played a lot of matches for the club. However, he joined us from Watford because he wanted to be nearer to his family, based in Middlesbrough I think. So is it a question of Hogg being a great servant or just that very few other clubs, at our level or above, that are near to his family, actually wanted to sign him? So we were convenient for him and he was a good player for us? It's a bit like Danny Ward. The only reason Ward joined us from Cardiff was because his wife, daughter and step son lived in Huddersfield. He met his wife when he played for us for 3.5 seasons initially. He left Cardiff and came to us so he could live in Kirkburton and now Skelmanthorpe and be with them. At the end of his initial 3 year contract, NW gave him another 2 year deal....By the end of this season, Danny Ward will have played 9 seasons for us, including his initial loan spell. He's currently on 271 appearances for the club. That's 1 more that Andy Booth and put's him in 31s on the all time appearances list, just 4 places and 12 appearances behind World Cup Winner Ray Wilson. It's quite possible that by the end of the season he'll have played more matches for Town than Ray Wilson!!! So does that make him a great servant of the club?? I know that people will shoot my down for comparing Hogg to Ward. But they've spent 12 & 9 seasons with us respectively....Great servants or just good players playing for a team close to their family? I can see the point you are making but I’ll give another example of why Hogg has been/ is a great servant to this club. We should all recall the horrendous neck injury he sustained at Bristol City in our promotion season. I week later he’s back in the team. At his peak, Hogg was lauded by every football commentator whenever our games were televised. Not the most skilled player granted, but an integral member of our midfield for a long time. People often mention how we are “soft”. Hogg added steel and determination particularly in our first premier league season when teams came to bully us off the pitch. |
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 8, 2024 12:15:22 GMT 1
The conversation about Hogg being a great servant to the club is an interesting one. He has indeed been here a long time and played a lot of matches for the club. However, he joined us from Watford because he wanted to be nearer to his family, based in Middlesbrough I think. So is it a question of Hogg being a great servant or just that very few other clubs, at our level or above, that are near to his family, actually wanted to sign him? So we were convenient for him and he was a good player for us? It's a bit like Danny Ward. The only reason Ward joined us from Cardiff was because his wife, daughter and step son lived in Huddersfield. He met his wife when he played for us for 3.5 seasons initially. He left Cardiff and came to us so he could live in Kirkburton and now Skelmanthorpe and be with them. At the end of his initial 3 year contract, NW gave him another 2 year deal....By the end of this season, Danny Ward will have played 9 seasons for us, including his initial loan spell. He's currently on 271 appearances for the club. That's 1 more that Andy Booth and put's him in 31s on the all time appearances list, just 4 places and 12 appearances behind World Cup Winner Ray Wilson. It's quite possible that by the end of the season he'll have played more matches for Town than Ray Wilson!!! So does that make him a great servant of the club?? I know that people will shoot my down for comparing Hogg to Ward. But they've spent 12 & 9 seasons with us respectively....Great servants or just good players playing for a team close to their family? I can see the point you are making but I’ll give another example of why Hogg has been/ is a great servant to this club. We should all recall the horrendous neck injury he sustained at Bristol City in our promotion season.
I week later he’s back in the team.At his peak, Hogg was lauded by every football commentator whenever our games were televised. Not the most skilled player granted, but an integral member of our midfield for a long time. People often mention how we are “soft”. Hogg added steel and determination particularly in our first premier league season when teams came to bully us off the pitch. You're overplaying that. It wasn't a horrendous neck injury. The initial symptoms, summary and suspicion was that he had a fracture of his cervical spine, which would have been a horrendous injury and possibly career threatening I'm sure. However, after a detailed review, it was revealed there was no significant trauma to the soft tissues in the injured area and specialists ruled out a fractured neck. He basically took a very heavy knock to his neck, leaving him in a lot of pain and discomfort. Which kept him out for a couple of weeks. It could have been far worse and career ending, but it was no-where near. Let's stop overplaying it and making him out to be some kind of super human. He had a knee injury and an ankle injury either side of it which were far worse and kept him out a lot longer. Plus has had other injuries that have also kept him out for longer. Would people also class Graham Mitchell, Nathan Clarke, Alex Smithies & Simon Trevitt great servant or just local lads who played for their local team? Would people also call Steve Jenkins, Danny Schofield & Kevin Grey great servants or just good solid players / professionals? Is he a great servant or just a player who wanted to say here because it was close to his family and we wanted to keep him because he's a good player. A relationship that benefited both player and club equally www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39432277 |
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Post by mosher on Oct 8, 2024 13:22:11 GMT 1
A sly shot at one of our greatest ever players, but well done, you. All I said was Jehovah!! Are there any women here? [high pitched] no, no [deep voice] er, I mean no, none at all  |
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Post by dm on Oct 8, 2024 14:12:41 GMT 1
Hogg is an example of excellent business by the club.
He came in when we were trying to establish ourselves in the Championship, he helped us do that.
He was part of the (massively unexpected) promotion-winning team.
He helped us stay in the PL (I never thought he'd be able to contribute there).
That probably should have been where we looked to replace - after the first PL season. If we wanted to try and stay there, we needed better quality. There are next to no goals or assists from him - I know that isn't his main aim but still, goals are what win games and his defensive work was never THAT good that we could afford zero attacking input.
That is why I would have replaced him when we had money coming in and the lure of PL football to offer.
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Post by henryc on Oct 8, 2024 15:27:33 GMT 1
I wouldn’t personally offer much praise above that Hogg was a good signing.
He gives his all to the cause but lets be honest if it wasn’t for that side of his game he wouldn’t have made it above league two, I’ve never and will never be a fan of players that so consistently berate their team mates.
I’m baffled at people trying to equate his number of appearances to him been up there with our greatest ever players, not sure if he’s ever really even been in the running for player of the season.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2024 15:38:25 GMT 1
I can see the point you are making but I’ll give another example of why Hogg has been/ is a great servant to this club. We should all recall the horrendous neck injury he sustained at Bristol City in our promotion season.
I week later he’s back in the team.At his peak, Hogg was lauded by every football commentator whenever our games were televised. Not the most skilled player granted, but an integral member of our midfield for a long time. People often mention how we are “soft”. Hogg added steel and determination particularly in our first premier league season when teams came to bully us off the pitch. You're overplaying that. It wasn't a horrendous neck injury. The initial symptoms, summary and suspicion was that he had a fracture of his cervical spine, which would have been a horrendous injury and possibly career threatening I'm sure. However, after a detailed review, it was revealed there was no significant trauma to the soft tissues in the injured area and specialists ruled out a fractured neck. He basically took a very heavy knock to his neck, leaving him in a lot of pain and discomfort. Which kept him out for a couple of weeks. It could have been far worse and career ending, but it was no-where near. Let's stop overplaying it and making him out to be some kind of super human. He had a knee injury and an ankle injury either side of it which were far worse and kept him out a lot longer. Plus has had other injuries that have also kept him out for longer. Would people also class Graham Mitchell, Nathan Clarke, Alex Smithies & Simon Trevitt great servant or just local lads who played for their local team? Would people also call Steve Jenkins, Danny Schofield & Kevin Grey great servants or just good solid players / professionals? Is he a great servant or just a player who wanted to say here because it was close to his family and we wanted to keep him because he's a good player. A relationship that benefited both player and club equally www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39432277Its got to be both hasnt it? Hes been happy at this club and the club have been happy hes here. I dont really like the term 'great servant' either..implies hes somehow not also done extremely well out of the relationship, which of course he will have done. Dont think it really needs analysing more than acknowledging hes played for our club for a very long time by modern era standards , and been a great player for us throughout, even though hes well past his prime now. Always gave 100%, lead by example, played a big role in getting us to the PL and when there was key to our survival that first season and alongside Mooy and Billing, was in the best part of that side and perhaps the only part that actually looked PL quality...that centre midfield trio. He isnt brilliant at everything..not a total footballer...but which of ours players are? We wouldn't be having this discussion about his long time here if he had been. Hes just been a really good player for this club for a long time and at levels in the pyramid that have been consistently high by this clubs standards and much higher than some other players that people consider more 'legendary'. Denis Law for example...whatever he went on to do, he only played 81 games for us, none in the top flight. Boothy made nearly 300 appearances but only spent 1 1/2 seasons here outside the bottom 2 divisions as far as I remember. His role in the team doesnt get the glory and adulation that comes with being a striker like Worthington or Stewart. His role has been more about the nitty gritty..ratting for the ball...the ugly side of the game, and in an area of the pitch where a mistake in possession can be disastrous. Other clubs seem to hold their legendary players high...artificailly high often...we seem to want to find ways to undermine ours?? |
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 8, 2024 16:16:37 GMT 1
Agree with all that Captain, apart from the last part. Don’t think anyone is undermining Hogg and what he’s done at Town. But i do think some are holding him artificially high.
But that’s just my opinion. And like arseholes, everyone has one
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Post by Amigo on Oct 8, 2024 18:35:14 GMT 1
You're overplaying that. It wasn't a horrendous neck injury. The initial symptoms, summary and suspicion was that he had a fracture of his cervical spine, which would have been a horrendous injury and possibly career threatening I'm sure. However, after a detailed review, it was revealed there was no significant trauma to the soft tissues in the injured area and specialists ruled out a fractured neck. He basically took a very heavy knock to his neck, leaving him in a lot of pain and discomfort. Which kept him out for a couple of weeks. It could have been far worse and career ending, but it was no-where near. Let's stop overplaying it and making him out to be some kind of super human. He had a knee injury and an ankle injury either side of it which were far worse and kept him out a lot longer. Plus has had other injuries that have also kept him out for longer. Would people also class Graham Mitchell, Nathan Clarke, Alex Smithies & Simon Trevitt great servant or just local lads who played for their local team? Would people also call Steve Jenkins, Danny Schofield & Kevin Grey great servants or just good solid players / professionals? Is he a great servant or just a player who wanted to say here because it was close to his family and we wanted to keep him because he's a good player. A relationship that benefited both player and club equally www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39432277Its got to be both hasnt it? Hes been happy at this club and the club have been happy hes here. I dont really like the term 'great servant' either..implies hes somehow not also done extremely well out of the relationship, which of course he will have done. Dont think it really needs analysing more than acknowledging hes played for our club for a very long time by modern era standards , and been a great player for us throughout, even though hes well past his prime now. Always gave 100%, lead by example, played a big role in getting us to the PL and when there was key to our survival that first season and alongside Mooy and Billing, was in the best part of that side and perhaps the only part that actually looked PL quality...that centre midfield trio. He isnt brilliant at everything..not a total footballer...but which of ours players are? We wouldn't be having this discussion about his long time here if he had been. Hes just been a really good player for this club for a long time and at levels in the pyramid that have been consistently high by this clubs standards and much higher than some other players that people consider more 'legendary'. Denis Law for example...whatever he went on to do, he only played 81 games for us, none in the top flight. Boothy made nearly 300 appearances but only spent 1 1/2 seasons here outside the bottom 2 divisions as far as I remember. His role in the team doesnt get the glory and adulation that comes with being a striker like Worthington or Stewart. His role has been more about the nitty gritty..ratting for the ball...the ugly side of the game, and in an area of the pitch where a mistake in possession can be disastrous. Other clubs seem to hold their legendary players high...artificailly high often...we seem to want to find ways to undermine ours?? Reading your post you've gone from "great player" to "really good player", so even you are applying a level of logic the more you type. Worthington, Stewart, Mooy were great players, as a player Hogg is nowhere near those. Twice in his 11 seasons have we finished above 16th, it's hardly been the glory years we've had 3 good seasons and 8 absolutely garbage. We are just like every other club, we do hold certain players artificially high. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 8, 2024 19:39:21 GMT 1
Great player for us..as in he played really well for the club for many years and didnt cost that much to start with.
Stewart was a great player for us too, but being a striker the glory and adulation is much easier to come by than it is for a ratting midfielder like Hogg.
Worthington was before my time but as a striker the same applies.
Think people remember the goals..they dont remember all the misses...all the games when they did nothing.
Mooy is the only truly 'great' player Ive seen play for Town in terms of his actual play IMO.. A level or two ahead of all my other favourites down the years.
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Post by htafcdreams on Oct 8, 2024 21:54:32 GMT 1
Back at it tonight. Hoggy lad
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