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Post by rockwall on Jan 14, 2024 14:49:46 GMT 1
Because the performance was rubbish and it's the only way supporters can show their dissatisfaction. They're lucky there's still people in the ground to boo them off, as the fans are deserting in their droves. Numbers have been on the decline for a long while. Was the performance rubbish given all the players missing, no striker and two new additions in Matos & Spencer? We all know we need better players, we all know injuries are hurting us but how is booing the players who were out there helping? It is just plain stupid. You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 14:53:00 GMT 1
Numbers have been on the decline for a long while. Was the performance rubbish given all the players missing, no striker and two new additions in Matos & Spencer? We all know we need better players, we all know injuries are hurting us but how is booing the players who were out there helping? It is just plain stupid. You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. No matter what you say, there's always an excuse. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 14:53:49 GMT 1
I woulndn't, not saying that to contradict you just for the sake of it either, i know Marsch wasnt what you'd call a success at Leeds but he was manager at a prem club on a downwards spiral, the prems merciless and unforgiving as we know, in the championship you'd imagine it would be easier, it wouldnt too hard to improve on our curernt plight surely, having said that im not advocating him but out of the three of Fotheringham Moore or Marsch managing us from tomorrow onwards, Fotheringham failed, Moore is failing.... Would be a complete no-no because too many people would be against him because he's ex-Leeds. It was the same when we appointed Grayson. Pathetic, really I don't want him cos he's a shit c*** and a fucking weirdo |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 14, 2024 15:35:07 GMT 1
Numbers have been on the decline for a long while. Was the performance rubbish given all the players missing, no striker and two new additions in Matos & Spencer? We all know we need better players, we all know injuries are hurting us but how is booing the players who were out there helping? It is just plain stupid. You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. No we aren't the only club with injuries but we must be the only club in this division that has not invested year on year in the playing squad, the squad is ageing and we must be the only club in the division aside from Rotherham maybe that doesn't operate with 25 senior pro's, we have 16/17 then the rest are kids beginning their careers. If you can't see the current situation is the culmination of Hoyle and Hodgkinson doing fuck all with the playing squad then I don't know what you think is going on mate. I'm as pissed off as everyone else with the situation but the only fix here is serious investment in the squad. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 14, 2024 15:49:46 GMT 1
You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. No we aren't the only club with injuries but we must be the only club in this division that has not invested year on year in the playing squad, the squad is ageing and we must be the only club in the division aside from Rotherham maybe that doesn't operate with 25 senior pro's, we have 16/17 then the rest are kids beginning their careers. If you can't see the current situation is the culmination of Hoyle and Hodgkinson doing fuck all with the playing squad then I don't know what you think is going on mate. I'm as pissed off as everyone else with the situation but the only fix here is serious investment in the squad. When did I mention anything about previous chairman etc? The excuse seems to be injuries. That excuse doesn't work with me. I agree with all you have said. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 14, 2024 16:49:05 GMT 1
You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. No we aren't the only club with injuries but we must be the only club in this division that has not invested year on year in the playing squad, the squad is ageing and we must be the only club in the division aside from Rotherham maybe that doesn't operate with 25 senior pro's, we have 16/17 then the rest are kids beginning their careers. If you can't see the current situation is the culmination of Hoyle and Hodgkinson doing fuck all with the playing squad then I don't know what you think is going on mate. I'm as pissed off as everyone else with the situation but the only fix here is serious investment in the squad. Spot on. The club did not just stop investing we also stripped the better players from the squad. Under investment year after year and then a Warnock miracle, we judge DM myself included probably comparing to before he came the Warnock era and it’s probably a harsh comparison. The club needs proper investment in a championship squad that is the real issue. |
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Post by shawsie on Jan 14, 2024 17:06:40 GMT 1
No we aren't the only club with injuries but we must be the only club in this division that has not invested year on year in the playing squad, the squad is ageing and we must be the only club in the division aside from Rotherham maybe that doesn't operate with 25 senior pro's, we have 16/17 then the rest are kids beginning their careers. If you can't see the current situation is the culmination of Hoyle and Hodgkinson doing fuck all with the playing squad then I don't know what you think is going on mate. I'm as pissed off as everyone else with the situation but the only fix here is serious investment in the squad. Spot on. The club did not just stop investing we also stripped the better players from the squad. Under investment year after year and then a Warnock miracle, we judge DM myself included probably comparing to before he came the Warnock era and it’s probably a harsh comparison. The club needs proper investment in a championship squad that is the real issue. The thing is you have to do that with a plan and thats probably why KN will argue hes sticking with DM. Weve had short term elastoplasts stemming gaping wounds in the squad and in the managerial hotseat since relegation and we are now seeing the position in its ugly glory. I have zero faith in DM personally but can understand KN wanting to give him a competitive squad to deal with before he judges him fully. Thats not been the case thus far albeit hes managed to make it worse imo.......... its just all so bloody dull. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 14, 2024 17:12:18 GMT 1
Spot on. The club did not just stop investing we also stripped the better players from the squad. Under investment year after year and then a Warnock miracle, we judge DM myself included probably comparing to before he came the Warnock era and it’s probably a harsh comparison. The club needs proper investment in a championship squad that is the real issue. The thing is you have to do that with a plan and thats probably why KN will argue hes sticking with DM. Weve had short term elastoplasts stemming gaping wounds in the squad and in the managerial hotseat since relegation and we are now seeing the position in its ugly glory. I have zero faith in DM personally but can understand KN wanting to give him a competitive squad to deal with before he judges him fully. Thats not been the case thus far albeit hes managed to make it worse imo.......... its just all so bloody dull. Can’t argue with any of that. KN had to at some point get a new management team in probably too early but now he’s done it he has to back him. The squad is far too weak to judge DM , give him a championship squad and then we can see if he’s upto the job. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 14, 2024 17:24:44 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 14, 2024 17:36:24 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. Yet |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 14, 2024 17:41:53 GMT 1
And I said its a cop out. I dont look at his twitter very often, but i've looked since yesterday and dont see rambling or anything I disagree with - so which part is nonsense? I understand it's wise to keep things in house, but the club has too long suffered from mismanagement and utter abject mediocrity in all areas of practice. It needs shaking up, holding to account, being told its not good enough. I think Nagle is saying "im doing my bit, are the rest?" If he's putting his money where his mouth is, and rolling up his sleeves, I dont take issue with it. Not sure why fans are, it's exactly what we want/think, but he's wrong for saying it. I hope it makes people at the club embarrassed.. maybe even angry. This isnt the sheff weds owner type thing. Nagle seems fiercly driven and competetive.. If he loses that, starts shifting blame, not putting his money in and just sniping on twitter, then i'll take issue with it. I think he’s posting like he is in an attempt to keep fans engaged at a time when nothing else is. I personally feel better knowing he deems it unacceptable rather than being accepting of it. If things ever become more stable however I would prefer he refrains from tweeting after the match to criticise the performance. It’s not a good look and doesn’t help. Fair. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 17:45:12 GMT 1
I don’t think it looks like they aren’t playing for him. Lack of effort has never been a criticism under DM, lack of quality certainly though. Regarding injuries, teams doing well seem to have fewer injuries as well. Everyone has a bit more in the tank. On a slight side track, why on earth anyone thought booing them yesterday was helpful is utterly beyond me. I thought they weren’t playing for him against Preston and at times yesterday there was a distinct lack of urgency and desire to win. I don’t mean they’re not running, but they’re not showing for the ball or moving into space and trying to create. That smacks of players going through the motions to me. Or players very low on confidence? |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 14, 2024 17:48:22 GMT 1
I thought they weren’t playing for him against Preston and at times yesterday there was a distinct lack of urgency and desire to win. I don’t mean they’re not running, but they’re not showing for the ball or moving into space and trying to create. That smacks of players going through the motions to me. Or players very low on confidence? Possibly but that’s as much of a reason to worry, he’s supposed to be a good man manager/motivator and after the week of positive spirit the chairman had been building it was absolutely imperative that all the players were really up for it yesterday, and they didn’t seem to be to me. |
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Post by rab030 on Jan 14, 2024 17:52:04 GMT 1
Why not? Just applaud the effort. Did they look like they didn’t care? Did they get hammered? When did it become the norm to boo a team off who drew? We would all prefer to win, the guys out there on the pitch at least as much as we do. Because the performance was rubbish and it's the only way supporters can show their dissatisfaction. They're lucky there's still people in the ground to boo them off, as the fans are deserting in their droves. Ground was pretty much full yesterday and yes I know they discounted tickets for some sections |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 17:58:40 GMT 1
Because the performance was rubbish and it's the only way supporters can show their dissatisfaction. They're lucky there's still people in the ground to boo them off, as the fans are deserting in their droves. Ground was pretty much full yesterday and yes I know they discounted tickets for some sections It really wasn't. |
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Post by rab030 on Jan 14, 2024 18:00:10 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. They were proper rubbish but their fans didn’t boo them off even though they couldn’t beat a team that’s going downs, doesn’t have a striker, and has a shit manager. Glad I’m not a Plymouth fan |
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Post by rab030 on Jan 14, 2024 18:00:40 GMT 1
Ground was pretty much full yesterday and yes I know they discounted tickets for some sections It really wasn't. I was there and it really was! |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 14, 2024 18:08:33 GMT 1
Ground was pretty much full yesterday and yes I know they discounted tickets for some sections It really wasn't. You seem to be getting carried away with your negativity and a little blurry with reality. It was busy yesterday, fuller than usual, most stands were pretty full, probably exception being top tier behind goal but overall I’d agree pretty much full. Out of curiosity where did you sit? Suppose it’s a different perspective in different seats but from the lower tier of Riverside the ground looked pretty full |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 14, 2024 18:24:39 GMT 1
I simply don’t understand why folk bother going. It’s like they prefer us to not win so they can boo and moan. And I’m not a happy clapper. But if you boo and moan constantly all it does is put even more pressure on them. We are simply just not good enough at this level Without the injury list we’d probably be ok but you just can’t get away playing without a striker. Thought josh and sorba did well enough but neither has a strikers instinct and automatically resort to their natural position. You really think anyone goes down on a Saturday wanting us to lose? Absolutely 100% they do |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 18:26:44 GMT 1
You seem to be getting carried away with your negativity and a little blurry with reality. It was busy yesterday, fuller than usual, most stands were pretty full, probably exception being top tier behind goal but overall I’d agree pretty much full. Out of curiosity where did you sit? Suppose it’s a different perspective in different seats but from the lower tier of Riverside the ground looked pretty full I was in the directors box. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 18:28:02 GMT 1
You really think anyone goes down on a Saturday wanting us to lose? Absolutely 100% they do Rubbish. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 14, 2024 18:28:06 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. Jackson needs replacement quickly??? He’s a squad player. How many times even with our wafer thin squad has he actually played Ffs. Some folk |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 14, 2024 18:29:37 GMT 1
You must be hard of hearing. Either that or it’s just the folk near me. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 18:31:10 GMT 1
You must be hard of hearing. Either that or it’s just the folk near me. I am actually hard of hearing. Given me numerous problems over the years. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 14, 2024 18:32:00 GMT 1
You must be hard of hearing. Either that or it’s just the folk near me. I am actually hard of hearing. Given me numerous problems over the years. Explains a lot 😂😂 |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 18:32:02 GMT 1
You must be hard of hearing. Either that or it’s just the folk near me. I am actually hard of hearing. Given me numerous problems over the years. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 14, 2024 19:19:46 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. Jackson needs replacement quickly??? He’s a squad player. How many times even with our wafer thin squad has he actually played Ffs. Some folk Fucking brilliant since DM took over Jackson’s stats for 1st team Started 10 games Came on as sub 1 game Unused sub. 4 games Not in squad 6 games ( due to injures also) . That’s a well used player. Some folk brilliant . Hes so far off championship standard me saying he shouldn’t be near this squad never mind the first eleven , and you play the smart arse bullshit reply BRILLIANT!!!! 😂Try going to games home and away and notice who is actually playing in games before coming out with posts like you actually know what you’re talking about. Replacing not replacement as well . And if you do go ( which looking at your recent posts you do .  ) he’s that little shit wing back that’s in our first eleven more often than not) |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 19:40:45 GMT 1
I've seen lots of continued criticism of Moore on this thread, and I have no idea if he will be a good manager when he has better players, but have a think about yesterdays team. We have 5 'first team' strikers in the squad and not one fit enough to play. We had a really good structure forming down the left with Headley, Rudoni & Nakayama and he has lost 2 of those, so it all needed changing. Matos looks like he needs games to get his fitness up and to bed into the team but I'm sure he will really help, but he was off the pace for a chunk of yesterday. There were loads of posts saying why play Spencer on the left of a three and he had a great game. He gave us some of the passing range we lost with Nakayama missing. If we could have started with a striker yesterday, the new lad or Del, we probably wouldn't have played Jackson, who has done well at right back but people seem to think he had a poor game, and we would have had a finisher in the box. Josh did well but he had it all to do on his own. We desperately need some players back to give DM proper options and some more new additions. To me, the thing with Brodie was why play him on the left of the 3, he's a kid starting out, Lees has played on the left loads of times for us and would've had the experience to help Jacko out. Don't get me wrong, he was probably MoM for us but it just seemed a strange call to put him on thar side. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 19:53:52 GMT 1
I am actually hard of hearing. Given me numerous problems over the years. Explains a lot 😂😂 Yeah, hilarious isn't it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 19:54:38 GMT 1
You’re right, injuries are killing us, I’m just worried that it’s not a happy camp and the ones “fit” are not playing for him. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if we changed the manager and our injury issues miraculously start clearing up. I don’t think it looks like they aren’t playing for him. Lack of effort has never been a criticism under DM, lack of quality certainly though. Regarding injuries, teams doing well seem to have fewer injuries as well. Everyone has a bit more in the tank. On a slight side track, why on earth anyone thought booing them yesterday was helpful is utterly beyond me. Where I sit, when the final whistle went, folk just got up and left. No booing, no clapping just indifference and a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders. |
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) he’s that little shit wing back that’s in our first eleven more often than not)