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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 19:57:39 GMT 1
Numbers have been on the decline for a long while. Was the performance rubbish given all the players missing, no striker and two new additions in Matos & Spencer? We all know we need better players, we all know injuries are hurting us but how is booing the players who were out there helping? It is just plain stupid. You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. Matos shot goes in and we win. Possibly a bunch of players who know they will be booed if they lose trying not to? Who can be sure how they feel out there. I would also say players being booed off and shouty social media posts by the owner will not help injured players want to be back quicker. It won’t help players who have low confidence and it won’t make bringing players into a struggling club any easier. I think, given we need to get the best out of who we have, and we want to attract better players, a bigger picture view is required. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 14, 2024 19:59:09 GMT 1
You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. Matos shot goes in and we win. Possibly a bunch of players who know they will be booed if they lose trying not to? Who can be sure how they feel out there. I would also say players being booed off and shouty social media posts by the owner will not help injured players want to be back quicker. It won’t help players who have low confidence and it won’t make bringing players into a struggling club any easier. I think, given we need to get the best out of who we have, and we want to attract better players, a bigger picture view is required. But it didn't go in and we didn't win. If QPR take their chances they beat us. Southampton also. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 20:01:40 GMT 1
Summer was poor but everything was new to everyone except Warnock. We have a really poor squad and he is trying to address that. Nobody will ever know why we ended up with not improving in the summer but Warnock insisting on resigning Ward and Ruffells, possibly the best left back in the division, will not have helped. It has been a steep learning curve for everyone but the owner has come over for a month to try and make sure this window is better, and so far it is, but that is not an easy process, as he is finding out. Many things at the club needed to change but that all takes time. He looks very committed to improving things on and off the pitch. I really can’t see what your issue is. I've told you what my issue is, there has been no improvement on the pitch and have actually got worse on the pitch. But that's down to Moore more than Nagle. He seems to have realised his advisors have talked bollocks and is trying to improve things by spending (4 months too late but that's down to who told him the squad was good enough) |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 20:08:24 GMT 1
You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. No we aren't the only club with injuries but we must be the only club in this division that has not invested year on year in the playing squad, the squad is ageing and we must be the only club in the division aside from Rotherham maybe that doesn't operate with 25 senior pro's, we have 16/17 then the rest are kids beginning their careers. If you can't see the current situation is the culmination of Hoyle and Hodgkinson doing fuck all with the playing squad then I don't know what you think is going on mate. I'm as pissed off as everyone else with the situation but the only fix here is serious investment in the squad. And why wasn't Hodgkinson spending ? Cos all the money the club got was going one way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 20:08:52 GMT 1
I've seen lots of continued criticism of Moore on this thread, and I have no idea if he will be a good manager when he has better players, but have a think about yesterdays team. We have 5 'first team' strikers in the squad and not one fit enough to play. We had a really good structure forming down the left with Headley, Rudoni & Nakayama and he has lost 2 of those, so it all needed changing. Matos looks like he needs games to get his fitness up and to bed into the team but I'm sure he will really help, but he was off the pace for a chunk of yesterday. There were loads of posts saying why play Spencer on the left of a three and he had a great game. He gave us some of the passing range we lost with Nakayama missing. If we could have started with a striker yesterday, the new lad or Del, we probably wouldn't have played Jackson, who has done well at right back but people seem to think he had a poor game, and we would have had a finisher in the box. Josh did well but he had it all to do on his own. We desperately need some players back to give DM proper options and some more new additions. To me, the thing with Brodie was why play him on the left of the 3, he's a kid starting out, Lees has played on the left loads of times for us and would've had the experience to help Jacko out. Don't get me wrong, he was probably MoM for us but it just seemed a strange call to put him on thar side. He played on the left for the majority of games for Motherwell and did so well he was Captain against Rangers, although he played RM in that game. So it wasn’t as though this was completely new to him. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 20:11:03 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. I've never seen him that timid before, was he under orders to not go forward and to not try anything 🤷 |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 20:17:45 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. I've never seen him that timid before, was he under orders to not go forward and to not try anything 🤷 He's always been soft. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 14, 2024 20:24:23 GMT 1
I've never seen him that timid before, was he under orders to not go forward and to not try anything 🤷 He's always been soft. Absolute rubbish ! |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Jan 14, 2024 20:25:42 GMT 1
You are being blinded by what's being said by Moore. Yesterday was nothing more than abysmal. The 11 starting the game utilised properly should get a result. People can keep saying 'players missing'. Are we the only club that gets injuries?? Plymouth had players from their usual 11 missing due to recalls and injuries. You also have to question why injuries are happening? Everything points to the brainless person we have as our manager. Matos shot goes in and we win. Possibly a bunch of players who know they will be booed if they lose trying not to? Who can be sure how they feel out there. I would also say players being booed off and shouty social media posts by the owner will not help injured players want to be back quicker. It won’t help players who have low confidence and it won’t make bringing players into a struggling club any easier. I think, given we need to get the best out of who we have, and we want to attract better players, a bigger picture view is required. I don't think the boos are at the players. They're at Moore and Kevin for seemingly knowing he's shite but not doing anything about it. Look at the Boro game for example, we lost but not a single boo, in fact id say they were clapped off. I don't think anyone on here doubts the effort of the players, one or two maybe don't have the quality but I don't look at a single one of them and think they're not trying. Why Moore persists to play two strikers when we actually have 0 is mind boggling. There is no plan B at all. We put in cross after cross, long ball after long ball to Koroma, Thomas Rudoni. If that's the plan fine but stick someone up there who will actually win the ball. There's absolutely no imagination whatsoever, put Helik up there, put REG up there, try something different ffs (Somewhat tongue in cheek but you get the idea. Moores personality is worse than Carlos and his tactics worse than Fotheringham. Carlos is the best tactical mind this club will ever see and I thought that Fotheringham would be the worst tactically but somehow I'm wrong. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 20:28:09 GMT 1
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 14, 2024 20:49:59 GMT 1
So DM not only has to work with an injury ravaged thin squad, some of the remaining players are “ soft as shit”, it’s no wonder he’s struggling ! |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 20:52:46 GMT 1
So DM not only has to work with an injury ravaged thin squad, some of the remaining players are “ soft as shit”, it’s no wonder he’s struggling ! I know, poor Darren. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 20:55:50 GMT 1
I've never seen him that timid before, was he under orders to not go forward and to not try anything 🤷 He's always been soft. I didn't mean getting stuck in, I meant in the way he played. He didn't really venture forward like he meant it or try anything with the ball. It was all very, very safe. |
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Post by wigster on Jan 14, 2024 20:56:23 GMT 1
I like it. The man's got passion for the club and the Town. We should embrace that IMO. UTT I completely agree, it’s quite fresh and much better than the silence we’ve endured in recent years. After watching the usual dross yesterday I went home with the usual anger and the usual disappointment. Heard the usual interviews with the usual responses from the usual people and, as usual, my disappointment increased. Listened to/read/watched Kevin Nagle and, unusually, my spirits lifted considerably. Thanks Kev - a light at the end of the tunnel. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jan 14, 2024 21:06:08 GMT 1
Jackson needs replacement quickly??? He’s a squad player. How many times even with our wafer thin squad has he actually played Ffs. Some folk Fucking brilliant since DM took over Jackson’s stats for 1st team Started 10 games Came on as sub 1 game Unused sub. 4 games Not in squad 6 games ( due to injures also) . That’s a well used player. Some folk brilliant . Hes so far off championship standard me saying he shouldn’t be near this squad never mind the first eleven , and you play the smart arse bullshit reply BRILLIANT!!!! 😂Try going to games home and away and notice who is actually playing in games before coming out with posts like you actually know what you’re talking about. Replacing not replacement as well . And if you do go ( which looking at your recent posts you do .  ) he’s that little shit wing back that’s in our first eleven more often than not) Try going to games??? You clown. I go week in week out. Slagging a kid off who in reality would be nowhere near the starting 11 is your starting point We’ve no players available. No bench. Can’t find a striker a left or right back of any standard. Slagging off those who are having to start is really fucking clever |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 21:10:09 GMT 1
To me, the thing with Brodie was why play him on the left of the 3, he's a kid starting out, Lees has played on the left loads of times for us and would've had the experience to help Jacko out. Don't get me wrong, he was probably MoM for us but it just seemed a strange call to put him on thar side. He played on the left for the majority of games for Motherwell and did so well he was Captain against Rangers, although he played RM in that game. So it wasn’t as though this was completely new to him. He started at left wing back for Motherwell, not CB, before they moved him back to right back. He wasn't captain against Sevco either |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jan 14, 2024 21:33:42 GMT 1
Fucking brilliant since DM took over Jackson’s stats for 1st team Started 10 games Came on as sub 1 game Unused sub. 4 games Not in squad 6 games ( due to injures also) . That’s a well used player. Some folk brilliant . Hes so far off championship standard me saying he shouldn’t be near this squad never mind the first eleven , and you play the smart arse bullshit reply BRILLIANT!!!! 😂Try going to games home and away and notice who is actually playing in games before coming out with posts like you actually know what you’re talking about. Replacing not replacement as well . And if you do go ( which looking at your recent posts you do . ) he’s that little shit wing back that’s in our first eleven more often than not) Try going to games??? You clown. I go week in week out. Slagging a kid off who in reality would be nowhere near the starting 11 is your starting point We’ve no players available. No bench. Can’t find a striker a left or right back of any standard. Slagging off those who are having to start is really fucking clever So do I . Your first post to me shows you a clueless idiot. Your 2nd suggests I slag him off at games ( doesn’t happen). So if he’s not good enough it needs saying on here because where else can I voice my opinion it’s a football forum Thirdly look at your first post to me , it’s embarrassing if you go week in Just for your information he’s 22 , 23 in a month hardly a kid in football terms . |
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Post by rab030 on Jan 14, 2024 22:08:17 GMT 1
Guys he is a relative young player with not loads of experience.
As a consequence he is not consistent and definitely still learning, in a side that’s struggling for confidence and a fan base that boos on a regular basis. We haven’t currently got a left back that’s fit so it’s about bums on seats. For what it’s worth I thought he had a couple of decent games at right back and in particular away at Sunderland when he and Thomas doubled up to take care of their star player.
He hasn’t been great at left back but who is helping him down that side? He probably wouldn’t be playing if we had a full strength squad but in the meantime go and look in the mirror and ask yourself if he is doing the best he can under difficult circumstances? Then go back to your colouring books and stop posting shit.
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Post by alfredsterrier on Jan 14, 2024 22:34:44 GMT 1
Of course the injuries don’t help and no one is going to say it doesn’t matter.
Where it shouldn’t make a difference is in players dropping into positions- ok not their preferred or natural ones- and knowing their task.
It can’t be that hard to train as a squad and end up knowing who is doing what and where?
Surely any player coming into the team should know their role even if they may not be the best fit for it due to circumstances.
The problem for me is that there is no clear plan and no one really knows what they are meant to be doing.
The booing is not for the individual players but just the mess that the fans are seeing in front of them.
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Post by 28901 on Jan 14, 2024 23:15:36 GMT 1
Ground was pretty much full yesterday and yes I know they discounted tickets for some sections It really wasn't. It was fuller than normal. Maybe 14000. Some people can see the crowd for the empty seats |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 14, 2024 23:31:04 GMT 1
It was fuller than normal. Maybe 14000. Some people can see the crowd for the empty seats My daughter messaged me just before k/o to say they'd been told to expect about 14,000. I thought it looked a lot fuller than it has been for ages, and certainly fuller than it will be next time if Moores still in a job. |
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Post by 28901 on Jan 14, 2024 23:40:33 GMT 1
It was fuller than normal. Maybe 14000. Some people can see the crowd for the empty seats My daughter messaged me just before k/o to say they'd been told to expect about 14,000. I thought it looked a lot fuller than it has been for ages, and certainly fuller than it will be next time if Moores still in a job. Clearly some offer on. We should get a decent turn out for Wendy's. They'll sell out, we should get 14 or 15k. |
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Post by specialun on Jan 14, 2024 23:47:26 GMT 1
I've never seen him that timid before, was he under orders to not go forward and to not try anything 🤷 He's always been soft. He’d had some excellent games at right back before injured. Soft? Nah, had been solid defending, got stuck in. Criticise him fine but be more accurate than ‘soft’ |
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Post by araucaria on Jan 15, 2024 4:59:15 GMT 1
It was fuller than normal. Maybe 14000. Some people can see the crowd for the empty seats My daughter messaged me just before k/o to say they'd been told to expect about 14,000. I thought it looked a lot fuller than it has been for ages, and certainly fuller than it will be next time if Moores still in a job. Which way did we play first half Porroh? I'm in Adelaide so haven't seen any highlights or anything. If we kicked the traditional way in the first half, then, under DM, we're W2 D2 L0 that way and if his preferred way, W0 D4 L3. Of course if he changes it now, you can guarantee we'll start losing playing the traditional way. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 7:03:15 GMT 1
My daughter messaged me just before k/o to say they'd been told to expect about 14,000. I thought it looked a lot fuller than it has been for ages, and certainly fuller than it will be next time if Moores still in a job. Which way did we play first half Porroh? I'm in Adelaide so haven't seen any highlights or anything. If we kicked the traditional way in the first half, then, under DM, we're W2 D2 L0 that way and if his preferred way, W0 D4 L3. Of course if he changes it now, you can guarantee we'll start losing playing the traditional way. Played towards the cinema end in the first half, mate |
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Post by 28901 on Jan 15, 2024 7:45:57 GMT 1
Which way did we play first half Porroh? I'm in Adelaide so haven't seen any highlights or anything. If we kicked the traditional way in the first half, then, under DM, we're W2 D2 L0 that way and if his preferred way, W0 D4 L3. Of course if he changes it now, you can guarantee we'll start losing playing the traditional way. Played towards the cinema end in the first half, mate Something else we need to stop doing. Our results playing that way have been terrible. |
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Post by 28901 on Jan 15, 2024 7:47:07 GMT 1
Taking about the Plymouth game, that was 2 points dropped the worst team I’ve seen this year at home, and Jackson needs replacing quickly simply not a championship level player. I've never seen him that timid before, was he under orders to not go forward and to not try anything 🤷 Certainly gave that impression. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 15, 2024 8:35:03 GMT 1
Jackson has had some good games , Saturday he didn’t but that can be any player. The criticism feels a little harsh to me. He had obviously been told to keep possession. So with no options going forward he went backwards. (He did of course miss some opportunities to pass it forward). One poster earlier said “why are we playing two up front when we have no fit strikers ?” What a great point. are we ? Moore has to go - but Kevin won’t do it yet - he is confident he has the right man… Jesus wept. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 15, 2024 8:40:22 GMT 1
He’d had some excellent games at right back before injured. Soft? Nah, had been solid defending, got stuck in. Criticise him fine but be more accurate than ‘soft’ I thought he was OK. Perhaps falling into the Wiles habit of not doing anything actually wrong, but we know he can offer more than we saw on Sat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 9:20:06 GMT 1
He played on the left for the majority of games for Motherwell and did so well he was Captain against Rangers, although he played RM in that game. So it wasn’t as though this was completely new to him. He started at left wing back for Motherwell, not CB, before they moved him back to right back. He wasn't captain against Sevco either Not wanting to be pedantic but he played left back, right back & left midfield from what I can see, though team structure could make it different they are once on the field. I got the captain info from Transfermarkt - linkHe is a big strong lad so left of a three, in place of Nakayama, seems a decent punt, and in fairness he bossed it. |
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