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Post by upthetown on Feb 11, 2024 3:17:46 GMT 1
Difference is JW still went for it regardless. Genuine question... if DM was still in charge, how do you think k he would have set up today, especially without Balker and Helik? If Moore had taken charge of today, do you think he'd have been praised or slated for chucking away a 2-0 lead? If Moore was in charge we wouldn’t have got a 2-0 lead. We would have hardly got out of our own half, like most games. We certainly wouldn’t have had that many chances and goal scoring opportunities. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 11, 2024 4:37:59 GMT 1
I think we’ve got to break this performance down further if you are being critical of our 2nd half performance and the overall result.
Firstly, we were excellent in the first half, we deserved to be 0-2 up at halftime. We broke up the play very well, we had periods of dominance and in general stopped the form team of the competition who possess a premier league squad from playing.
Second half we got done by a worldy to start with. The lad couldn’t have hit it sweeter and if there was a bin in the top corner, it need not have been the one that you put on the street, it could have been your kitchen variety and it would have gone into it.
Second goal is your classic stun a team when they are stunned bringing it back to 2-2. Every manager who has a positive mind set tells their team to go get a second goal while a team is mentally fragile from conceding.
We then recovered, we went on to dominate the next 20 minutes or so. Southampton struggled to get out of their half, we were breaking up play and getting the ball back into their defensive third with speed and swinging balls into the box. We went 2-3 up and shortly afterwards I thought we could have gone 2-4 up with the chances we created. This right here was the difference. They were more clinical than us and that showed the difference in quality. At 2-4 with 10 minutes plus stoppage time to play we could have potentially shut it down to see the game out, but that was never going to happen at 2-3.
So we conceded a 3-3 own goal. Was a bit unlucky but that’s what happened. We then ran out of steam, subs for us just weren’t up to the task, Southampton’s quality then shone through as our legs tired.
TBH I thought we deserved a point out of that but we just weren’t good enough against a team that will be back in the premier league next season. The good news is, we’ve shown what we are made of at Town, we’ve shown we aren’t that far away from being a top team. We are a good manager and a bench to fit, away from being a team to challenge at the very top.
There’s so much positive to take from today’s performance.
Over to you Kev.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 11, 2024 6:05:52 GMT 1
We then recovered, we went on to dominate the next 20 minutes or so. Southampton struggled to get out of their half, we were breaking up play and getting the ball back into their defensive third with speed and swinging balls into the box. We went 2-3 up and shortly afterwards I thought we could have gone 2-4 up with the chances we created. This right here was the difference. They were more clinical than us and that showed the difference in quality. At 2-4 with 10 minutes plus stoppage time to play we could have potentially shut it down to see the game out, but that was never going to happen at 2-3. . As good as the first half was, this was the most impressive part of the performance. Having lost a 2 goal lead so quickly (and there wasn’t a lot they could do about the goals, as you say), most teams would’ve folded in the face of their quality. Adding a 4th, which would have been deserved, kills it. Immensely encouraged. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 11, 2024 7:20:35 GMT 1
We then recovered, we went on to dominate the next 20 minutes or so. Southampton struggled to get out of their half, we were breaking up play and getting the ball back into their defensive third with speed and swinging balls into the box. We went 2-3 up and shortly afterwards I thought we could have gone 2-4 up with the chances we created. This right here was the difference. They were more clinical than us and that showed the difference in quality. At 2-4 with 10 minutes plus stoppage time to play we could have potentially shut it down to see the game out, but that was never going to happen at 2-3. . As good as the first half was, this was the most impressive part of the performance. Having lost a 2 goal lead so quickly (and there wasn’t a lot they could do about the goals, as you say), most teams would’ve folded in the face of their quality. Adding a 4th, which would have been deserved, kills it. Immensely encouraged. Agree 100%, we were right back in their faces and all over them after a period of adversity. We didn’t capitulate but in fact stood taller. A bit of luck and/or a bit of composure and we would have done them with a 4th. After that we could have conserved energy to defend and used up time to kill it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2024 9:37:55 GMT 1
Even a tinfoil hat wearing, certifiable looney agrees
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 11, 2024 10:43:46 GMT 1
Yesterday felt like the first game of the Wagner era (was that Boro or Massive?). A style of play that got fans off their seats. There was a period of about 20 minutes just before and after our third goal, where the pressing was so good that Soton couldn't get out of their own penalty area. The players couldn't keep that up and Worthington instructed them to revert to a deeper defence, which didn't work... but he didn't have any other choice really.
As for Worthington... I think he'll be happy to go back to the academy. If he is made manager he could be out of a job within 6 months and no academy position to go back to and the real possibility of having to uproot his family to find work.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 11, 2024 10:58:29 GMT 1
Didn’t manage to watch the game as was travelling, but was less disappointed with our capitulation after I saw the quality of their goals, other than the OG they were class finishes.
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Post by rab030 on Feb 11, 2024 12:02:06 GMT 1
Didn’t see the game - first one I’ve missed this season.
Great to see so many positive comments on here for a change with maybe a few exceptions.
Getting some shit from mates that are Leeds fans who were hoping we might help them - so at least that’s keeping me smiling 😊
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Post by bluemond on Feb 11, 2024 14:59:54 GMT 1
Didn’t see the game - first one I’ve missed this season. Great to see so many positive comments on here for a change with maybe a few exceptions. Getting some shit from mates that are Leeds fans who were hoping we might help them - so at least that’s keeping me smiling 😊 I gave you a thumbs down because you have some Leeds supporters as mates 😂 |
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Post by 28901 on Feb 11, 2024 15:16:18 GMT 1
Even a tinfoil hat wearing, certifiable looney agrees Not sure that's a good thing Porrohman |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 11, 2024 15:39:41 GMT 1
On holiday and just seen the goals. Have to admit, their first was a thing of beauty
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Post by willo on Feb 11, 2024 15:42:03 GMT 1
First and foremost, it was a great advert for Championship football for which we more than played our part and would have deserved a draw if the game lasted 80 minutes. Great credit must go to JW & his coaching team for setting us up like that which was very bold and the players really took to it. It went some way to dispelling the grey clouds over things following on from DM and I hope we can confine his time in charge to the rubbish bin from here on in and just forget it ever happened. We all knew we have some pretty decent players, not world beaters, but decent and if we set up correctly we are more than a match for most teams in this division. If we continue to play like that, we will stay up.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Feb 11, 2024 16:40:33 GMT 1
Even a tinfoil hat wearing, certifiable looney agrees Careful, Porroh, he'll block you. Son of Saintly, who is even more to the left than me, suffered that fate for something innocuous. Mind you, Michael Vaughan is equally precious! |
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 11, 2024 18:57:49 GMT 1
On holiday and just seen the goals. Have to admit, their first was a thing of beauty A very good strike. Tony Carss-esque |
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Post by irverino on Feb 11, 2024 19:07:52 GMT 1
On holiday and just seen the goals. Have to admit, their first was a thing of beauty A very good strike. Tony Carss-esque A great finish it was, but Town had every man (& his dog) back for corner, Saints had 2 players waiting unmarked on the edge of the box to fire it back in, also no one on the post where Healy was a week earlier to head away........Personally I don't agree with packing the box for corners. |
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Post by schindlersmissed on Feb 11, 2024 20:28:37 GMT 1
First and foremost, it was a great advert for Championship football for which we more than played our part and would have deserved a draw if the game lasted 80 minutes. Great credit must go to JW & his coaching team for setting us up like that which was very bold and the players really took to it. It went some way to dispelling the grey clouds over things following on from DM and I hope we can confine his time in charge to the rubbish bin from here on in and just forget it ever happened. We all knew we have some pretty decent players, not world beaters, but decent and if we set up correctly we are more than a match for most teams in this division. If we continue to play like that, we will stay up. Could not agree more. If we play like that we won’t be relegated for sure. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Feb 11, 2024 20:49:51 GMT 1
While the pub I was in prioritised the Scotland v France Rugby match yesterday I was getting full updates from a friend in Honely that was listening to it on Radio Leeds, I believe...
In utter dreamland at Half Time then once again at our third, we just couldn’t see it through, but they’re a very decent outfit are Southampton so I’m not overly, overly disappointed and it’s heartwarming to hear the positive reports on here from the game -
Onwards and upwards for Town as a big week gets nearer !
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2024 21:16:49 GMT 1
Hope you can zoom in on the Chesties avatar 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by 2ellandback on Feb 11, 2024 21:45:19 GMT 1
Hope you can zoom in on the Chesties avatar 🤣🤣🤣 He puts “dog lover” in his profile too. |
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 11, 2024 22:15:54 GMT 1
Hope you can zoom in on the Chesties avatar 🤣🤣🤣 He puts “dog lover” in his profile too. The chestwanking twat has a profile picture of him cuddling a dog. Couldn’t make it up. |
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Post by drumriggend on Feb 11, 2024 22:39:00 GMT 1
A very good strike. Tony Carss-esque A great finish it was, but Town had every man (& his dog) back for corner, Saints had 2 players waiting unmarked on the edge of the box to fire it back in, also no one on the post where Healy was a week earlier to head away........Personally I don't agree with packing the box for corners. My thoughts exactly.. We should have a defender in the D.. And an attacker koroma/sorba int centre circle.. They would have to deploy 2defenders to cover him.. And gives us an out ball if we win possession.. It’s not rocket science.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by henryc on Feb 11, 2024 22:45:43 GMT 1
A great finish it was, but Town had every man (& his dog) back for corner, Saints had 2 players waiting unmarked on the edge of the box to fire it back in, also no one on the post where Healy was a week earlier to head away........Personally I don't agree with packing the box for corners. My thoughts exactly.. We should have a defender in the D.. And an attacker koroma/sorba int centre circle.. They would have to deploy 2defenders to cover him.. And gives us an out ball if we win possession.. It’s not rocket science.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ I always used to think the same to the point it infuriated me, feels like your offering them a second chance to attack after a clearance. I can’t remember who but I saw an interview where they said it’s about crowding the box leaving less space to attack, and statistically it’s the better option. |
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Post by drumriggend on Feb 11, 2024 22:56:58 GMT 1
Remember Burnley at home int premier league..
They were notorious for scoring from corners at the time..
So Wagner left 3 players in the centre circle every time they got a corner..
Loewe. Kachunga and 1 other (can’t remember who)..
It worked they didn’t score from a corner..
We still lost though..
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 11, 2024 22:59:08 GMT 1
Remember Burnley at home int premier league.. They were notorious for scoring from corners at the time.. So Wagner left 3 players in the centre circle every time they got a corner.. Loewe. Kachunga and 1 other (can’t remember who).. It worked they didn’t score from a corner.. We still lost though.. 🥴🥴💩💩 Was it Burnley 🤔. I remember him doing it against Stoke. After the first couple of corners he sent 3 up and they had to put 4 back. |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 11, 2024 23:04:44 GMT 1
In the end we were let down by having to weaken a team with subs that was already much weaker in paper than there's. Also they brought on £36m of subs according to transfermarkt when our whole squad is worth £32.28m
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Post by drumriggend on Feb 11, 2024 23:15:42 GMT 1
Remember Burnley at home int premier league.. They were notorious for scoring from corners at the time.. So Wagner left 3 players in the centre circle every time they got a corner.. Loewe. Kachunga and 1 other (can’t remember who).. It worked they didn’t score from a corner.. We still lost though.. 🥴🥴💩💩 Was it Burnley 🤔. I remember him doing it against Stoke. After the first couple of corners he sent 3 up and they had to put 4 back. Yeah you could be right.. It was one of the Neanderthal gerrit forrard teams.. Stoke or Burnley.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Didn’t matter tho we still got beat.. 🥴🥴 |
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Post by willo on Feb 12, 2024 1:06:54 GMT 1
Hope you can zoom in on the Chesties avatar 🤣🤣🤣 Oh the irony. |
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Post by bogart on Feb 12, 2024 10:24:16 GMT 1
Didn’t manage to watch the game as was travelling, but was less disappointed with our capitulation after I saw the quality of their goals, other than the OG they were class finishes. Very very harsh to call it a capitulation far from it. They could have chucked the towel in at 3-3. Being at the opposite end to Lees og it was just one of those, I did not even know was an og until later. TV replay shows unlucky but that is footie. For lots of the second half up to the og we looked more likely to score than them. Substitutions did not help us as much as one could have hoped, Jones a complete waste. Very encouraging as to what this team are actually capable of. Very entertaining game pity about the end result. |
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Post by specialun on Feb 12, 2024 10:42:04 GMT 1
My thoughts exactly.. We should have a defender in the D.. And an attacker koroma/sorba int centre circle.. They would have to deploy 2defenders to cover him.. And gives us an out ball if we win possession.. It’s not rocket science.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ I always used to think the same to the point it infuriated me, feels like your offering them a second chance to attack after a clearance. I can’t remember who but I saw an interview where they said it’s about crowding the box leaving less space to attack, and statistically it’s the better option. 1st phase or second? Counter attack goals? I’m sure having an extra defender in the box helps the first phase - albeit it surely depends on ability of that player to defend the space but I can accept that The question this surely second phase - we clear first phase, unless the ball goes out of play then we’re inviting a further attack / cross. And how does having everyone back v 1 up impact on goals from Counter attack Need to look at all 3. Overall and without any stats - i think this town team would benefit with a man on half way (Before someone points out - We did actually score a goal on counter from a corner when Moore had everyone back - but it was actually from the second phase. Ball came out, their player had possession, cross attempt, Kasumu charge down and ran the length leading to Burgzorg scoring - had we had a man on half way and the opp a defender back then that wouldn’t have happened) |
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 12, 2024 10:49:19 GMT 1
Didn’t manage to watch the game as was travelling, but was less disappointed with our capitulation after I saw the quality of their goals, other than the OG they were class finishes. Very very harsh to call it a capitulation far from it. They could have chucked the towel in at 3-3. Being at the opposite end to Lees og it was just one of those, I did not even know was an og until later. TV replay shows unlucky but that is footie. For lots of the second half up to the og we looked more likely to score than them. Substitutions did not help us as much as one could have hoped, Jones a complete waste. Very encoraging as to what this team are actually capable of. Very entertaining game pity about the end result. Good to read, couldn't think of a better word, it does sound by all accounts that we deserved something. |
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