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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Mar 10, 2024 20:51:00 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle is a smashing chap and the scoundrel's who are blaming him for our current predicament, do not have a clue of how clubs are run they just think its all spend, spend, spend, just like Viv Nicholson who spent the lot.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Mar 10, 2024 21:01:21 GMT 1
All this negativity, blame Hoyle blame Carlos blame Hodkinson their history and move on FFS we don't we blame the board for not giving Shankley the two players he wanted to bring to Town, so when he left and went to Liverpool he bought the two players he wanted at Town and built that great Shankley team around them. The two players were Ron Yates and Ian St John.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 10, 2024 21:02:00 GMT 1
Just arrived home - literally ten minutes ago. Delays on the M1 and M25. Rain literally non-stop from getting in the car after the match to parking up at the house, the wipers never switched off.
Plenty time to think and ponder. That second half was bad. The third home game I’ve seen this season where we’ve conceded four goals, granted, their third was a goal of the season contender.
I’m struggling with the driving now a bit, hoping for the first cataract operation within the next month, so today could easily be my last home game this season. I hope my next game is still in the Championship, but supporting this club is not good for your health.
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Post by Terriersmad on Mar 10, 2024 21:08:25 GMT 1
The summer was a huge missed opportunity to put right the weaknesses in the squad, not helped by Warnock's conception of what he wanted. The money is clearly there (which makes a huge change). We need to make sure we spend it in the right areas.
If we go down it's about time we did something and blew a division out of the water. Relegation is utterly unacceptable. I don't think the new owner will accept it mildly either. There's a mentality of mediocrity within the club that has to change, top to bottom. Our stated aim next season in the Championship has to be play-offs. If we're in League One, it simply has to be to win the division by a double-figure points margin. I for one am sick of second-rate results being accepted.
That isn't to underestimate a bloody tough league. League One is, as we know, a hard division to get out of. We cannot afford to get stuck there again. If we go down, it simply has to be a one-season stay that acts as a springboard to getting up to the top end of this division - easier said than done. Leicester did it once upon a time. Norwich did it too. Others got stuck, and that has to be the worry. The ones that got stuck didn't treat the division with its due respect (Norwich getting thumped 7-1 on opening day probably helped them, oddly), and we also have to do that, recognise that we have to earn the right to play and not expect to just turn up and turn teams over.
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 10, 2024 21:12:37 GMT 1
Can people stop saying “drop zone” please? It’s some Sky Sports new football fan bollocks. Relegation zone was always fine. Think we are all at our "tipping point" |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Mar 10, 2024 21:35:28 GMT 1
9 games to go, come on Town fans don't give up.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 10, 2024 21:37:42 GMT 1
Despite the 2nd half being dire, the tightness of the bottom of the table still dictates it in our hands, no one is getting away. We'll stay up.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Mar 10, 2024 21:40:59 GMT 1
Hoyle is more to blame than Nagle for me. The weak squad isn't a new situation. The squad was essentially neglected for a few years. Hoyle hasnt owned the Club since 2018. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2024 21:44:46 GMT 1
Another weekend ruined.
Grow up for fucksake
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 10, 2024 21:44:55 GMT 1
Hoyle is more to blame than Nagle for me. The weak squad isn't a new situation. The squad was essentially neglected for a few years. Hoyle hasnt owned the Club since 2018. Who told the club to Nagle? Are you sure? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 10, 2024 21:46:17 GMT 1
Another weekend ruined. Grow up for fucksake They don't mean that literally, its just something people say, considering the weekend was practically over by the final whistle. |
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Post by workshyfop on Mar 10, 2024 21:55:33 GMT 1
Another weekend ruined. Grow up for fucksake They don't mean that literally, its just something people say, considering the weekend was practically over by the final whistle. Correct. The whataboutery is ridiculous. Saying your weekend is ruined by a football result is hyperbole but valid. To then counter that with “there’s worse things happening in the world, grow up” is just stupid. Obviously. Do you think the poster thinks Town losing is worse than genocide of the Palestinian people or whatever bad news story you want to bring up? Of course not. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 10, 2024 21:58:57 GMT 1
Nagle took over in June, he had plenty of time. Did you listen to his Radio Leeds interview. He said they had so little time to prepare for the window compared to most other clubs and that was without a head of recruitment as well. They had said that January would be an important window and the recruitment was good. They fcked up, big time, make no mistake, they know it too. They have since made a very good attempt at putting it right. Whether they'll be successful is anyone's guess. If they're not then it will be due to summer window, timing of Warnock leaving, appointing fcking Moore and making a bit of a bollocks of the January window whilst spending a few million quid. |
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Post by ringdisco on Mar 10, 2024 22:20:32 GMT 1
Another weekend ruined. We absolutely deserve everything we get this season. Thanks DH for not backing Carlos, the best thing that happened to us since 2017. Then selling the crown jewels (again) Thanks KN and team for hiring and sticking with the worst appointment in the history of the club. This is ultimately what will send us down. Thanks for ANOTHER summer of not even trying to buy a striker, IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP! Our January business was shocking - Balker, constantly injured. Bojan, constantly injured. Healy, Out for the season. Matos, looks like we can't even play him. An insane amount of injuries yet again this season (Up to 13 first team players/replacements) at any given time not fit to play. It can't be a coincidence. Luck - To not have a penalty at home for 70 games. To be on the wrong side of almost every 50/50 offside decision is expected when you're struggling. On paper, how the hell is a team in the relegation zone? The majority of our 11 will get moves to championships sides if we go down. . Bollocks. Of the 11 that started today, only Nicholls, Helik, Sorba, Burgzorg and maybe Rudoni will get Champ clubs. Spencer still unproven. The rest are League One/Two. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 10, 2024 23:23:24 GMT 1
1 0 up on intensity alone. At least 3 struggling by half time with the intensity required to negate a WBA team that had produced nothing for 45 minutes. 2 or 3 subs at half time just to keep that intensity perhaps.  The chap and his lads next to us agreed we needed the legs on before it went tits up. If the fans know their players and can see issues growing or about to surface the staff can? Maybe we couldnt keep it going for 90 mins but 5 subs might not have given us any inspiration but they could have kept the perspiration level high?? |
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Post by terrierpark on Mar 10, 2024 23:33:48 GMT 1
The club deserves relegation?
Absolutely it does, but the fans dont. Despite the length of time in the division it never seems to have stabilised and grown. Its certainly flirted with it enough times to think that one time or another its going to happen. Its demonstrated a propencity to continually self harm in its decision making and shown a total lack of competence in player recruitment and retainment.
And yet the fans have stuck by it .
I feel a bit sorry for Mr Nagle who has significantly invested and again in the Jan window in an attempt to stop the rot , but it seems he has put his faith in a couple of muppets to run the show. We are in March and those signings have made sod all of a positive impact.
I think we have about 6 players who are true Championship Quality and the rest are squad players at best. A very sad state of affairs. Just when will this club wake up and realise the whole shabang isnt good enough from the product on the pitch to the boardroom ? Not just this season but for the majority in Championship
If we do get relegated and I realy hope we dont, none of us can say we dont deserve it . We have failed to learn by our previous mistakes. We have failed to recruit effective players especially a goal scorer for considerable seasons now, and with the exception of the fan base we have failed to grow.
We have stagnated and risk paying the price.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 11, 2024 0:21:33 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle is a smashing chap and the scoundrel's who are blaming him for our current predicament, do not have a clue of how clubs are run they just think its all spend, spend, spend, just like Viv Nicholson who spent the lot. Living up to your username there. |
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Post by willo on Mar 11, 2024 0:58:18 GMT 1
Another weekend ruined. We absolutely deserve everything we get this season. Thanks DH for not backing Carlos, the best thing that happened to us since 2017. Then selling the crown jewels (again) Thanks KN and team for hiring and sticking with the worst appointment in the history of the club. This is ultimately what will send us down. Thanks for ANOTHER summer of not even trying to buy a striker, IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP! Our January business was shocking - Balker, constantly injured. Bojan, constantly injured. Healy, Out for the season. Matos, looks like we can't even play him. An insane amount of injuries yet again this season (Up to 13 first team players/replacements) at any given time not fit to play. It can't be a coincidence. Luck - To not have a penalty at home for 70 games. To be on the wrong side of almost every 50/50 offside decision is expected when you're struggling. On paper, how the hell is a team in the relegation zone? The majority of our 11 will get moves to championships sides if we go down. Garbage 2nd half, could see within 5 minutes we were standing off them. I can't see who we beat at the minute. Rotherham will smell blood and be well up for it. EDIT: ... and don't get me started on our creative maestro Ben Wiles.. A tad of an over reaction. |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 11, 2024 1:41:11 GMT 1
If we accumalate enough points to stay up we dont deserve to be relegated, if we dont accumalate enough points to stay up then we do, its that simple.
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Post by aksaiblue on Mar 11, 2024 2:10:58 GMT 1
If we accumalate enough points to stay up we dont deserve to be relegated, if we dont accumalate enough points to stay up then we do, its that simple. I agree with this sentiment. I think KN could have been better advise3d on the appointment of DM, he would have been far better keeping NW in the frame until AB was recruited, we would have been safe already. However, that's water under the bridge. As stated above if we accumulate the points necessary for survival then we deserve to stay up. There's a long way to go and I think we will stay up. UTT |
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 11, 2024 2:42:14 GMT 1
The team do have a weak mentality, hence why we're in the drop zone. I’ve always thought we were poor in terms of tackling the psychological state of the players for a few seasons now. ...and in tackling the physical state of the players. We seem to regularly have many injured players. |
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Post by BlueValour on Mar 11, 2024 2:46:09 GMT 1
Everyone got so hung up on strikers in the summer, they forgot about any quality in midfield. West Brom turned it up a notch second half in midfield and their quality certainly showed. If folk think Rudoni and Kasumu are the answer, I’d hate to see the question. Bright side is some cracking away days next season. Mansfield being the standout Mansfield? Why? |
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Post by araucaria on Mar 12, 2024 11:03:42 GMT 1
If we accumalate enough points to stay up we dont deserve to be relegated, if we dont accumalate enough points to stay up then we do, its that simple. I agree that that is usually the case, but if Barnsley and Peterborough had both held on to their leads and Millwall had drawn in the last games of 2012-13, would Town have deserved to go down with 57 points? |
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Post by ram on Mar 12, 2024 11:34:59 GMT 1
The reason why we are where we are is:- We have only won 8 matches,Sunderland have actually lost more than we have.It is the amount of draws that is killing us,one man to blame for that and he is currently screwing Port Vale on a 5 year contract.
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Post by sabailand on Mar 12, 2024 11:46:47 GMT 1
If we accumalate enough points to stay up we dont deserve to be relegated, if we dont accumalate enough points to stay up then we do, its that simple. I agree that that is usually the case, but if Barnsley and Peterborough had both held on to their leads and Millwall had drawn in the last games of 2012-13, would Town have deserved to go down with 57 points? It would have admittedly been harsh, i suppose someone has to and as much as we'd have bemoaned the fact we'd have been relegated within the rules fair and square, although it wouldnt have felt like it at the time. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 12, 2024 12:30:43 GMT 1
The reason why we are where we are is:- We have only won 8 matches,Sunderland have actually lost more than we have.It is the amount of draws that is killing us,one man to blame for that and he is currently screwing Port Vale on a 5 year contract. Cant go back and look at points dropped or tactics employed that failed to accumulate enough points. Repeating those now factual errors would be the mistake. Of course from here on in teams will be playing for very different ends, some will need points to get promotion, some will need points to make the play offs, some will play less strong teams to save them for the playy offs and about 6 or 7 will be fighting for survival. Those safe in the middle could play with freedom or might not be arsed. Im still more annoyed with the cardiff game than the wba one. Thats where we are im afraid. Nothing games where we dont win could kill us. Just cant allow 90 minutes to pass us by again. |
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Post by swam4mwg on Mar 12, 2024 21:21:16 GMT 1
All started to go wrong when Chapman left for Arsenal.
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 12, 2024 21:26:48 GMT 1
The reason why we are where we are is:- We have only won 8 matches,Sunderland have actually lost more than we have.It is the amount of draws that is killing us,one man to blame for that and he is currently screwing Port Vale on a 5 year contract. Whoever hired him at Port Vale has less brains than a 5 year old Leigh Bromby |
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 12, 2024 21:28:12 GMT 1
All started to go wrong when Chapman left for Arsenal. Sod that Sir Henry Norris |
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Post by mightyterrier on Mar 12, 2024 21:39:43 GMT 1
Our run in looks very reasonable, feels an over exaggerated response by some
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