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Post by BlueValour on Apr 11, 2024 1:22:03 GMT 1
Don't agree with the criticism of Hogg. Yes he is nearing the end of the road, but he still adds backbone to the team. Can't be proven of course, but IMHO we would not have lost 4-1 at Preston if Hogg had been playing.
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Post by kiwiblue on Apr 11, 2024 3:25:55 GMT 1
All Hoyle’s fault as usual. I’m sure he’s not blameless, but some folk need to look a bit further back to see how football used to be before stupid money entered proceedings… If it’s relegation, nowt that any of us can do about it. I wonder if there were this many miserable bastards about in the 70’s and 80’s? My God, were were miserable in the 70’s ? Crowds dropped from over 40k home against Chelsea in late August 71 to an average of c 5k average less than two year later. The loss of Frankie, Cherry, even big Roy together with post Greaves managerial turmoil and a Board in disarray sucked the lifeblood out of the club. From Div 1 in 72 to playing in Div 4 by 75 we were proper miserable b…ards ! The difference being that unless you could be arsed to write a letter to The Examiner, the only place to moan about Town was over a pint in the pub.... or to the Mrs, but she never listened anyway  |
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 11, 2024 7:17:13 GMT 1
Goodness me; another shambolic performance. Wiles - If anyone has the spare time to watch back his performance he literally doesn't even look like a footballer. So, so slow. terrible touch repeatedly, cant play simple passes. Look's absolutely blown up within 30 mins, LOSES EVERY 50/50. It's not even like he's an athlete and offers pace or power. To go from Mooy, Sinani, Palmer, Brown even Holmes - to this fraud is absolutely ridiculous. Wouldn't have him in Wrexham or Mansfield CM, give me Keilor Dunn with 19 goals from CM in League 2 any day of the week. Matos / Kasumu - Both are the same type of "destroyer" player that breaks up the play. Neither are good at it, both are a walking yellow card and this type of player works only if we have a creative midfielder or two in front of them - which we don't! Jackson - Never rated him, never seen him have a good game. Equally as much of a weak link as Yuta. Wouldn't get into any other championship 11 so I don't know why we accept eh is good enough for us just because he came from the academy. Remember when we signed Kaiserslautern captain Chris Lowe as LB?! Seems like another lifetime. Jackson isn't good enough for a lge 1 promotion push. Nicholls - The best GK performance I've seen in my lifetime in the playoff season. Ever since, especially this season - it seems almost every shot on target goes in - Loessl-esque. Big wage, we have maxwell as replacement - would happily cash in if we were able to get 2.5m or so for him. Sorba - Abysmal 2nd half but pretty much our only player that can assist/create/run with the ball. Without him we wouldn't have scored half of the goals we have this season. Zorg - Again not everyone's cup of tea but 1st half was a handful, got an assist. I don't think this was a game for bojan. I'm tired or Danny ward running around and not scoring. It was our CM that largely let us down last night. AB - I don't understand the subs. I don't understand Healey in midfield. I don't understand playing jackson. He hasn't had an impact on the team at all. We play the same way - for set pieces. he hasn't breathed life into anyone like Warnock did with Ruffles, koroma, Danny ward. I don't think he knows his best 11 or system or even what he wants to play. Nagle and Co - hang your head in shame. I called it from a mile off; sacking NW in a season where we were supposed to be consolidating. Appalling recruitment and advice given to him too. I don't think we stay up; even if we do there needs to be a complete cull of the DoF, recruitment, Physio department etc etc... the playing staff need a complete cull. Get rid of Nicholls and put that wage elsewhere Get rid of Hogg, big wage and losing mentality; wouldn't start for other championship teams. Pat Jones, Jackson - get rid or sent them to Bradford/Leadgue 2 loans because they're miles off top end league 1 clubs. Ward, Ruffles, Turton - likely decent wages, always injured - get rid/loan a la rhodes. Helik - Likewise will be sold Sorba - likely will be sold Our wage bill will be miniscule at this point. Agree with the vast majority of that. It’s spot on. Only thing I personally don’t agree with is blaming Nagle as I genuinely think the bloke has tried his best. Is he naive? yes, has he been badly advised? Absolutely, but the stick he gets is wrong. If we give him time I think he’ll come good. Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 11, 2024 8:22:04 GMT 1
Agree with the vast majority of that. It’s spot on. Only thing I personally don’t agree with is blaming Nagle as I genuinely think the bloke has tried his best. Is he naive? yes, has he been badly advised? Absolutely, but the stick he gets is wrong. If we give him time I think he’ll come good. Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Yep I remember Dave saying the exact same thing, stay up or go down this season has been an abject failure with wrong decisions made at multiple points. Fans don't want much, we never wanted millions spent under Hoyle (we will always be a selling club) but the amount of bad decisions made over the past 5 years is just ridiculous from Hoyle to PH and now to KN. It's hard to have any sympathy as a lot of it is just basics (i.e don't push out the bloke 7 games in who performed a miracle keeping you in the league last season). |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 11, 2024 8:26:00 GMT 1
Agree with the vast majority of that. It’s spot on. Only thing I personally don’t agree with is blaming Nagle as I genuinely think the bloke has tried his best. Is he naive? yes, has he been badly advised? Absolutely, but the stick he gets is wrong. If we give him time I think he’ll come good. Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. The buck stops at Nagle but his big mistake appears to have been the advice (on the capability of the squad) and the appointments he has made. I don't think those mistakes, as with many of DHs, are malicious but they are proving to be significant. We can't change the past but we must learn from it. Mr Nagle has to review everything, challenge everything and make a call on where we go next. More of the same cannot be an option. There is no mitigation for the appointment of Moore and the recruitment decisions ie not recognising our midfield can't pass (the stats back this up) and we didn't have any credible fit strikers. I can forgive Mr Nagle his mistakes but I will be less accommodating if he doesn't demonstrate that he has learnt. I don't have a problem with him delegating to good people but right now his boots on the ground is what is needed. I really think he needs to take a summer to really establish a management/delivery organisation. What has appeared to have happened is that he has parachuted a couple of senior managers into a failing organisation and no one can say it has worked. The club was floundering before Mr Nagle arrived and without being negative everything we are seeing doesn't suggest anything has really changed. The outcome on the pitch has been created over a long period. It may take a while to change things but they need to change. Investment helps but leadership and strategy are required. Over to you Mr Nagle. |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Apr 11, 2024 8:36:22 GMT 1
Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Yep I remember Dave saying the exact same thing, stay up or go down this season has been an abject failure with wrong decisions made at multiple points. Fans don't want much, we never wanted millions spent under Hoyle (we will always be a selling club) but the amount of bad decisions made over the past 5 years is just ridiculous from Hoyle to PH and now to KN. It's hard to have any sympathy as a lot of it is just basics (i.e don't push out the bloke 7 games in who performed a miracle keeping you in the league last season). Here we go again  |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 11, 2024 8:41:05 GMT 1
Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Yep I remember Dave saying the exact same thing, stay up or go down this season has been an abject failure with wrong decisions made at multiple points. Fans don't want much, we never wanted millions spent under Hoyle (we will always be a selling club) but the amount of bad decisions made over the past 5 years is just ridiculous from Hoyle to PH and now to KN. It's hard to have any sympathy as a lot of it is just basics (i.e don't push out the bloke 7 games in who performed a miracle keeping you in the league last season). I don't disagree with you but no one is going to come out and say that letting NW go early was a significant mistake. I'm sure NW will, but we know what NW is like. But it was a mistake, but something we can't do anything about now. The lesson must be, and I don't need to know but Mr Nagle has to consider it internally, why did that happen? Could it have been prevented/was there an amicable compromise? To what extent did ego and personality have an impact. Let's be honest the squad would still have been poor but NW has the man management and nous to eek out results that would have kept our heads above water. What was Mr Nagle told that mitigated the risk of letting NW go? Was the risk of letting NW go properly assessed? The above isn't going to change our current position but I would hope these are questions Mr Nagle reflects on. It is important because that reflection should give insight into those he has employed and the decisions taken. Now, it may have been that the situation with NW was entirely untenable (I'm not sure I'd personally buy that) but the recruitment of Moore must then be questioned. That was a complete and utter failure and it compounded the weaknesses in the squad. That whole debacle needs internal review because it was, to my eyes ill thought through at best and woefully inept at worst. We desperately need to move on but with a plan that acknowledges where you currently are (that requires an honest assessment too) and with a plan that learns from the past. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 11, 2024 9:13:46 GMT 1
Don't agree with the criticism of Hogg. Yes he is nearing the end of the road, but he still adds backbone to the team. Can't be proven of course, but IMHO we would not have lost 4-1 at Preston if Hogg had been playing. We need Hoggy out there more now than ever before. Some criticise him for “ waving his arms “ my god these players need some direction at the moment. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 9:24:32 GMT 1
Agree with the vast majority of that. It’s spot on. Only thing I personally don’t agree with is blaming Nagle as I genuinely think the bloke has tried his best. Is he naive? yes, has he been badly advised? Absolutely, but the stick he gets is wrong. If we give him time I think he’ll come good. Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Spot on. Hence why many keep trying to put it all on Cartwright and Edwards rather than blaming the man at the top. I keep saying people saying, "he's a good man", "we're in good hands" and "he's tried his best". All of which is irrelevant, to be honest. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 11, 2024 9:40:16 GMT 1
I’m not sure if it was complacency, nativity or stupidity but to stay up against all odds last year (solely down to the job Warnock did) then sack Warnock, spend nothing all summer and expect a different result this year was farcical.
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Post by goodbet on Apr 11, 2024 9:51:08 GMT 1
Yep I remember Dave saying the exact same thing, stay up or go down this season has been an abject failure with wrong decisions made at multiple points. Fans don't want much, we never wanted millions spent under Hoyle (we will always be a selling club) but the amount of bad decisions made over the past 5 years is just ridiculous from Hoyle to PH and now to KN. It's hard to have any sympathy as a lot of it is just basics (i.e don't push out the bloke 7 games in who performed a miracle keeping you in the league last season). I don't disagree with you but no one is going to come out and say that letting NW go early was a significant mistake. I'm sure NW will, but we know what NW is like. But it was a mistake, but something we can't do anything about now. The lesson must be, and I don't need to know but Mr Nagle has to consider it internally, why did that happen? Could it have been prevented/was there an amicable compromise? To what extent did ego and personality have an impact. Let's be honest the squad would still have been poor but NW has the man management and nous to eek out results that would have kept our heads above water. What was Mr Nagle told that mitigated the risk of letting NW go? Was the risk of letting NW go properly assessed? The above isn't going to change our current position but I would hope these are questions Mr Nagle reflects on. It is important because that reflection should give insight into those he has employed and the decisions taken. Now, it may have been that the situation with NW was entirely untenable (I'm not sure I'd personally buy that) but the recruitment of Moore must then be questioned. That was a complete and utter failure and it compounded the weaknesses in the squad. That whole debacle needs internal review because it was, to my eyes ill thought through at best and woefully inept at worst. We desperately need to move on but with a plan that acknowledges where you currently are (that requires an honest assessment too) and with a plan that learns from the past. As the owner the buck does stop with Nagle, but he is an absentee owner and relies on the management on the ground to take charge. It seems obvious to me as someone sitting on the sidelines that his choice of people to drive the club forward has not worked. They had no recent experience of Championship football and have overestimated the strength of the squad, they have shown that they can not pick a manager worth their salt and then can't see when they should have got rid of the one they did have. If we then look at the signings we have made it would appear that they are in an untenable position and should walk asap. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 11, 2024 11:39:37 GMT 1
Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Spot on. Hence why many keep trying to put it all on Cartwright and Edwards rather than blaming the man at the top. I keep saying people saying, "he's a good man", "we're in good hands" and "he's tried his best". All of which is irrelevant, to be honest. But he's not allowed to make genuine mistakes? If Mr Nagle is vetoing every decision taken by his chosen delegates then he is absolutely responsible. If he has given those delegates responsibility for making decisions then he is ultimately accountable but he is not directly responsible (there is a difference). It is too easy to simply say it is all Mr Nagle's fault. I would prefer to say it is down to Mr Nagle to learn from the mistakes and do something about them. NB: I am not having a go at your frustration (which we all feel to a lesser or greater degree) just trying to ensure we challenge Mr Nagle (to do better) rather than a one dimensional rant (once again not accusing you of that per se but making the point generally). Why am I bothering to make a reasoned case you might ask? A fair question too. It is because we know Mr Nagle or his team take notice of the fans (something that can't be denied and should be welcomed). I also think there is a degree of respect for our insight and ability to express an opinion that is thought through and goes beyond simple abuse (once again not accusing you here). My, possibly naive, view is if we make a reasoned case and challenge we are more likely to get listened to. Moreover someone might actually hit on a theme that helps Mr Nagle look at things differently (not saying that is me or what it might be). We all want Town to be better. Most of us believe we can be better. Irrespective of how lousy this season has been, and it has been rotten, we must keep pressing and believing in that. if we don't we will end up in the footballing backwaters through our acceptance of mediocrity. Things aren't great right now but the potential will always be there to be better. That's the challenge Mr Nagle make this great club better. Someone will do it eventually, will it be you? |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 11:46:19 GMT 1
Spot on. Hence why many keep trying to put it all on Cartwright and Edwards rather than blaming the man at the top. I keep saying people saying, "he's a good man", "we're in good hands" and "he's tried his best". All of which is irrelevant, to be honest. But he's not allowed to make genuine mistakes? If Mr Nagle is vetoing every decision taken by his chosen delegates then he is absolutely responsible. If he has given those delegates responsibility for making decisions then he is ultimately accountable but he is not directly responsible (there is a difference). It is too easy to simply say it is all Mr Nagle's fault. I would prefer to say it is down to Mr Nagle to learn from the mistakes and do something about them. NB: I am not having a go at your frustration (which we all feel to a lesser or greater degree) just trying to ensure we challenge Mr Nagle (to do better) rather than a one dimensional rant (once again not accusing you of that per se but making the point generally). Why am I bothering to make a reasoned case you might ask? A fair question too. It is because we know Mr Nagle or his team take notice of the fans (something that can't be denied and should be welcomed). I also think there is a degree of respect for our insight and ability to express an opinion that is thought through and goes beyond simple abuse (once again not accusing you here). My, possibly naive, view is if we make a reasoned case and challenge we are more likely to get listened to. Moreover someone might actually hit on a theme that helps Mr Nagle look at things differently (not saying that is me or what it might be). We all want Town to be better. Most of us believe we can be better. Irrespective of how lousy this season has been, and it has been rotten, we must keep pressing and believing in that. if we don't we will end up in the footballing backwaters through our acceptance of mediocrity. Things aren't great right now but the potential will always be there to be better. That's the challenge Mr Nagle make this great club better. Someone will do it eventually, will it be you? Anyone is allowed to make mistakes, but I don't think, "well, he tried his best" is a valid excuse, to be honest. If I make a balls-up at work, well-intentioned or otherwise, I've still made a balls-up and I'm quite likely going to get a bollocking for it. If it's serious enough, I may even get the chop. I don't think, "well I tried my best" will hold much water. Same with when Moore was on his way out, certain people at the club kept saying the results hadn't been good enough BUT he was a nice guy. I don't think it's relevant. I'd rather the manager be a complete arsehole and us be top of the table, but maybe that's just me. I'm not saying it's all Nagle's fault, but some of it is. People are too quick to blame everyone else but him, but he's the top man, it's on him. Before Dean Hoyle became persona non grata, it was the same with him. People on here would try and throw everyone else under the bus rather than blame him, whether that be Ross Wilson, Nigel Clibbens, Julian Winter, Olaf Rebbe, none of it was ever Hoyle's fault and we're now witnessing the same with Kevin Nagle. Nagle's a successful businessman, and been around the block enough times to own decisions and own the failures, I bet he isn't blaming everyone under the sun, I bet he's taking full responsibility for what's happened. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 11, 2024 17:43:24 GMT 1
Agree with the vast majority of that. It’s spot on. Only thing I personally don’t agree with is blaming Nagle as I genuinely think the bloke has tried his best. Is he naive? yes, has he been badly advised? Absolutely, but the stick he gets is wrong. If we give him time I think he’ll come good. Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Although Nagle is the man at the top he isnt the reason why we're shit and we're under the threat of relegation, he knows as much about English football as next doors cat, he employs advisors who have been rubbish, does the buck stop with him well i suppose it does, naive and uneducated about the efl then yes, but to wholly blame him for our predicament is unfair. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 12, 2024 10:27:07 GMT 1
But he's not allowed to make genuine mistakes? If Mr Nagle is vetoing every decision taken by his chosen delegates then he is absolutely responsible. If he has given those delegates responsibility for making decisions then he is ultimately accountable but he is not directly responsible (there is a difference). It is too easy to simply say it is all Mr Nagle's fault. I would prefer to say it is down to Mr Nagle to learn from the mistakes and do something about them. NB: I am not having a go at your frustration (which we all feel to a lesser or greater degree) just trying to ensure we challenge Mr Nagle (to do better) rather than a one dimensional rant (once again not accusing you of that per se but making the point generally). Why am I bothering to make a reasoned case you might ask? A fair question too. It is because we know Mr Nagle or his team take notice of the fans (something that can't be denied and should be welcomed). I also think there is a degree of respect for our insight and ability to express an opinion that is thought through and goes beyond simple abuse (once again not accusing you here). My, possibly naive, view is if we make a reasoned case and challenge we are more likely to get listened to. Moreover someone might actually hit on a theme that helps Mr Nagle look at things differently (not saying that is me or what it might be). We all want Town to be better. Most of us believe we can be better. Irrespective of how lousy this season has been, and it has been rotten, we must keep pressing and believing in that. if we don't we will end up in the footballing backwaters through our acceptance of mediocrity. Things aren't great right now but the potential will always be there to be better. That's the challenge Mr Nagle make this great club better. Someone will do it eventually, will it be you? Anyone is allowed to make mistakes, but I don't think, "well, he tried his best" is a valid excuse, to be honest. If I make a balls-up at work, well-intentioned or otherwise, I've still made a balls-up and I'm quite likely going to get a bollocking for it. If it's serious enough, I may even get the chop. I don't think, "well I tried my best" will hold much water. Same with when Moore was on his way out, certain people at the club kept saying the results hadn't been good enough BUT he was a nice guy. I don't think it's relevant. I'd rather the manager be a complete arsehole and us be top of the table, but maybe that's just me. I'm not saying it's all Nagle's fault, but some of it is. People are too quick to blame everyone else but him, but he's the top man, it's on him. Before Dean Hoyle became persona non grata, it was the same with him. People on here would try and throw everyone else under the bus rather than blame him, whether that be Ross Wilson, Nigel Clibbens, Julian Winter, Olaf Rebbe, none of it was ever Hoyle's fault and we're now witnessing the same with Kevin Nagle. Nagle's a successful businessman, and been around the block enough times to own decisions and own the failures, I bet he isn't blaming everyone under the sun, I bet he's taking full responsibility for what's happened. I don't think that is unfair in any way. I agree that "he's tried his best" argument carries little water. I would say; he has the right intentions but what we have seen has been poor would be a more accurate assessment. None of this debate is going to save this season now, that is down to the players and AB. When it is done Mr Nagle will really need to step up. I think he will, but if I am not sure I will say so. At some point the litany of poor choices, half arsed execution and positive rhetoric (with no tangible improvement) will have to stop. I suppose that is the real bottom line; what has really improved under Mr Nagle this season? Beyond the, very, welcome communication (not the content necessarily but the fact we are communicated with) very little, actually not very little, nothing! That is a sad indictment on the start of the Nagle era. Although I think that is fair I do think things will get better, but as I have said before I hope Mr Nagle doesn't let me and my optimism down. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 12, 2024 10:54:55 GMT 1
I’m not sure if it was complacency, nativity or stupidity but to stay up against all odds last year (solely down to the job Warnock did) then sack Warnock, spend nothing all summer and expect a different result this year was farcical. Succinctly put and absolutely spot on. |
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Post by ram on Apr 12, 2024 11:29:26 GMT 1
I only see snippets of The Apprentice on adverts on TV,but Sugar doesn,t mince his words,when he sees incompetence costing him money,the finger comes out and "You,re Fired" ...Perhaps Kevin Nagle could use a bit of advice from this bloke!
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Post by Teddington Ted on Apr 12, 2024 17:46:59 GMT 1
I’m not sure if it was complacency, nativity or stupidity but to stay up against all odds last year (solely down to the job Warnock did) then sack Warnock, spend nothing all summer and expect a different result this year was farcical. Succinctly put and absolutely spot on. I should probably have put ‘naivety’ rather than nativity! 🤦♂️ |
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 12, 2024 22:01:43 GMT 1
Nagle is absolutely to blame. He is the chairman, the owner, the man at the top. To not hold him to account is exactly what we did with Hoyle, you end up looking to make excuses for them. I remember Carmichael Dave saying he’s never seen Kevin Nagle fail, relegated or not, this season has been a failure and it falls on Nagles desk. Although Nagle is the man at the top he isnt the reason why we're shit and we're under the threat of relegation, he knows as much about English football as next doors cat, he employs advisors who have been rubbish, does the buck stop with him well i suppose it does, naive and uneducated about the efl then yes, but to wholly blame him for our predicament is unfair. You’re making excuses for him. He’s the owner, it stops with him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 17:04:07 GMT 1
Another weekend ruined. We absolutely deserve everything we get this season. Thanks DH for not backing Carlos, the best thing that happened to us since 2017. Then selling the crown jewels (again) Thanks KN and team for hiring and sticking with the worst appointment in the history of the club. This is ultimately what will send us down. Thanks for ANOTHER summer of not even trying to buy a striker, IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP! Our January business was shocking - Balker, constantly injured. Bojan, constantly injured. Healy, Out for the season. Matos, looks like we can't even play him. An insane amount of injuries yet again this season (Up to 13 first team players/replacements) at any given time not fit to play. It can't be a coincidence. Luck - To not have a penalty at home for 70 games. To be on the wrong side of almost every 50/50 offside decision is expected when you're struggling. On paper, how the hell is a team in the relegation zone? The majority of our 11 will get moves to championships sides if we go down. Garbage 2nd half, could see within 5 minutes we were standing off them. I can't see who we beat at the minute. Rotherham will smell blood and be well up for it. EDIT: ... and don't get me started on our creative maestro Ben Wiles.. To think we could've kept Warnock and spent the money in Janaury on players that weren't injured. So many wrong decisions for so many years. This clubs DESERVES relegation. Absolute shambles. I wouldn't care if anyone left except Sorba or Helik; obviously they'd be the first two to go. League one we need a Gary Rowett and a complete clearout, then another 5.0m or so to build a good spine from scratch. |
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