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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2024 20:40:35 GMT 1
Our recruitment of players has been shocking and it is till continuing, who do we blame!! i know lets blame Dean Hoyle. The club is run like a Sunday pub team it is a disgrace and i wonder who will be first to jump ship when we get relegated and i do not blame Nagle. The club has been like a Sunday pub team for decades to be honest, it's not a new phenomenon. |
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Post by ACW on Mar 29, 2024 20:41:13 GMT 1
With this guy in charge we ain’t got a hope of staying up. I thought DM was a mistake but under him we were ok at the back and shit up front. Now we are shit all over the place. His tactics of only bringing strikers on as a last resort are bizarre to say the least So, you are suggesting we sack/pay off yet another manager so our continually substandard players can fail for yet another one? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2024 20:45:25 GMT 1
With this guy in charge we ain’t got a hope of staying up. I thought DM was a mistake but under him we were ok at the back and shit up front. Now we are shit all over the place. His tactics of only bringing strikers on as a last resort are bizarre to say the least So, you are suggesting we sack/pay off yet another manager so our continually substandard players can fail for yet another one? As I said on another thread, all these managers we've had, they all can't be shit. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 29, 2024 20:45:59 GMT 1
Phil didn't have enough cash, but to be fair his footballing decisions were decent. He was daft for agreeing to 'buy' the club but he suited Hoyle's interests. Long term (3+ years) Nagle might learn the English game and hire the right people, we're an absolute mess. I would agree but for buying the club without the necessary funds is a grave error of judgement. Agreed, very gung-ho and believed he could hit the football big time before his cash ran out. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 29, 2024 22:06:23 GMT 1
Wrong man, wrong time, wrong situation. I think that is a really harsh summary. The major errors this season have been Sacking Warnock much much too soon. Employing Darren Moore. Not sacking Darren Moore soon enough (20 minutes into Hull away would have been appropriate IMHO). We're not down yet. I can't pretend I'm happy with some of AB's decisions but I respect his track record and see much much more than I ever did from Moore. The issues long pre-date AB. On to Stoke (a good away day). The last time I remember visiting in the midst of a relegation battle, we won & they (& Manchester City) went down. UTFT. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 29, 2024 22:15:52 GMT 1
Wrong man, wrong time, wrong situation. I think that is a really harsh summary. The major errors this season have been Sacking Warnock much much too soon. Employing Darren Moore. Not sacking Darren Moore soon enough (20 minutes into Hull away would have been appropriate IMHO). We're not down yet. I can't pretend I'm happy with some of AB's decisions but I respect his track record and see much much more than I ever did from Moore. The issues long pre-date AB. On to Stoke (a good away day). The last time I remember visiting in the midst of a relegation battle, we won & they (& Manchester City) went down. UTFT. I was at that Stoke game when we won 2-1, Stewart and Barnes. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Mar 29, 2024 22:42:09 GMT 1
Wrong man, wrong time, wrong situation. I think that is a really harsh summary. The major errors this season have been Sacking Warnock much much too soon. Employing Darren Moore. Not sacking Darren Moore soon enough (20 minutes into Hull away would have been appropriate IMHO). We're not down yet. I can't pretend I'm happy with some of AB's decisions but I respect his track record and see much much more than I ever did from Moore. The issues long pre-date AB. On to Stoke (a good away day). The last time I remember visiting in the midst of a relegation battle, we won & they (& Manchester City) went down. UTFT. I agree. My poorly made point was that he almost had no chance from the off. The situation we were in when we hired him needed an immediate bounce that someone who knew the country/league/club/squad etc may have brought. AB is clearly learning about the squad and division every day, but he has no leeway to do so. He’d have been perfect to bring in with us all but safe. But we sacked the man who had the best chance of achieving that in September. The really annoying thing is: if we had stuck to the plan of NW keeping us ticking over until the likes of AB could safely take over, it would have been perfect. Then you remember this is Town so we knee-jerked the sacking of NW, hired Moore, kept him far too long then sacked him and needed an instant response. My money now is on us going down and AB walking. |
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Post by araucaria on Mar 30, 2024 11:35:49 GMT 1
Wrong man, wrong time, wrong situation. I think that is a really harsh summary. The major errors this season have been Sacking Warnock much much too soon. Employing Darren Moore. Not sacking Darren Moore soon enough (20 minutes into Hull away would have been appropriate IMHO). We're not down yet. I can't pretend I'm happy with some of AB's decisions but I respect his track record and see much much more than I ever did from Moore. The issues long pre-date AB. On to Stoke (a good away day). The last time I remember visiting in the midst of a relegation battle, we won & they (& Manchester City) went down. UTFT. We won that game at Stoke after having just lost 3 in a row, and the game before was a 3-1 home defeat. The Cowleys got us off the mark there when both teams had 2 points from 9 games. And we went on 6/7 match unbeaten runs after both wins. Never two without three (or jamais deux sans trois as we French speakers say. What is it in German?) Final straw-clutch. The win at Millwall last season came at probably our lowest ebb and Neil, like Andre, had 5 points from his first 6 games having won only his first. |
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Post by aideybabes on Mar 30, 2024 12:13:34 GMT 1
18 months. 6 managers. Constantly battling relegation. When will some fans realise it's not the manager? The players are not good enough. Maybe League One is what we need, full factory reset. If that does happen, I for one, hope we stick with the manager. I can never fathom why people say league one is needed, good for us etc etc. It will be a disaster! Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 30, 2024 12:21:10 GMT 1
18 months. 6 managers. Constantly battling relegation. When will some fans realise it's not the manager? The players are not good enough. Maybe League One is what we need, full factory reset. If that does happen, I for one, hope we stick with the manager. I can never fathom why people say league one is needed, good for us etc etc. It will be a disaster! Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. It can reset stagnant teams, Ipswich were down there for longer than they'd like but are a good outfit these days. I believe the point is sometimes you need to be punished to learn a lesson. It's like every season we get away with it, we go and make even more farcical decisions the next. I support Town and always will, but my anger has turned to apathy. I'm not saying I want us to be relegated but the changes it should produce are needed. I'm tired of every season hoping other teams lose, because we've already been beaten after 25 minutes. |
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Post by detox on Mar 30, 2024 12:24:23 GMT 1
KN needs to swallow his pride and get on the phone to Warnock and beg him to come and save him again. AB can like it or lump it I don't care.. If NW can keep us up, AB can have the summer and next season and rebuild but for now we are in crisis and he hasn't the experience to get us out of trouble. Put him on gardening leave until the end of the season..
If we do nothing, or dither..we're down. If we lose at Stoke I'd have NW here Tuesday morning 9am.
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Post by waggers on Mar 30, 2024 12:49:28 GMT 1
KN needs to swallow his pride and get on the phone to Warnock and beg him to come and save him again. AB can like it or lump it I don't care.. If NW can keep us up, AB can have the summer and next season and rebuild but for now we are in crisis and he hasn't the experience to get us out of trouble. Put him on gardening leave until the end of the season.. If we do nothing, or dither..we're down. If we lose at Stoke I'd have NW here Tuesday morning 9am. Neil would tell us to swivel, and rightly so. |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 30, 2024 12:54:41 GMT 1
18 months. 6 managers. Constantly battling relegation. When will some fans realise it's not the manager? The players are not good enough. Maybe League One is what we need, full factory reset. If that does happen, I for one, hope we stick with the manager. Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 30, 2024 12:57:45 GMT 1
I can never fathom why people say league one is needed, good for us etc.It will be a disaster!Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. A lot of the time, it's people that weren't around in the League One days. I keep reading about all these brilliant away days in League One. I don't remember many of them? |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 30, 2024 12:58:14 GMT 1
I can never fathom why people say league one is needed, good for us etc.It will be a disaster!Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. You've got to hand it to Cartwright, he's put a decent League One squad together |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 30, 2024 13:06:25 GMT 1
League one is a world away from the Championship.
Physicality makes up for lack of skill and it takes a totally different type of player to operate at this level.
It’s why it’s taken so many “big” clubs a long time to get back up again.
The fallout from relegation would be massive .
Our best players like Helik will be gone. Match Day and Commercial revenues would be reduced and depressingly media coverage of our games will be almost non existent.
It’s miles away from what we have now and there’s no way I want to see us back there again.
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 30, 2024 13:19:47 GMT 1
Warnock should have either been kept on for much longer before then hiring Breitenreiter with relative safety secured or not kept on at all (which wasn't really gonna happen when Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright needed time to get their feet under the table before finding a new manager). Also we probably couldn't have got much better than Moore when Warnock was sacked which shows how bad timing it was with just him, Rooney and the nail-biting Welsh twat available. I'd have had Moore sacked after Preston when we had just thrown away 4 points in 2 games before playing so abysmally against a team badly out of form. Whilst the players are by no means top quality Championship players, they have all at least played well for us at some point and a lot of them for fairly long spells as well. Moore couldn't get a tune out of them most of the time and when he did it was never for very long at all whilst Breitenreiter has had us play at least reasonably well for a combined 3 games out of 6. He just needs more full games of good performances out of them performances which only really Warnock and Carlos have managed to do with some consistency in recent years. Whilst I still think he will definetly keep us up (as I only really say we are down when we are down) he needs to find consistency and than kick on in the summer with a clear out needed.
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 30, 2024 13:27:37 GMT 1
Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. You've got to hand it to Cartwright, he's put a decent League One squad together League Two maybe. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 30, 2024 13:32:12 GMT 1
I can never fathom why people say league one is needed, good for us etc.It will be a disaster!Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. I’m not sure people realise the big drop off in TV revenue from the championship to league one. |
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Post by harris on Mar 30, 2024 13:32:50 GMT 1
Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. I’m not sure people realise the big drop off in TV revenue from the championship to league one. It’s going up quite a bit next year I believe too which is a real kick in the teeth. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 30, 2024 14:24:56 GMT 1
Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. A lot of the time, it's people that weren't around in the League One days. I keep reading about all these brilliant away days in League One. I don't remember many of them? Some town fans seem to revel being a big fish in a small pond and are more comfortable crowing about having more fans at places like Barrow than Barrow. I don’t get it. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 30, 2024 14:42:47 GMT 1
A lot of the time, it's people that weren't around in the League One days. I keep reading about all these brilliant away days in League One. I don't remember many of them? Some town fans seem to revel being a big fish in a small pond and are more comfortable crowing about having more fans at places like Barrow than Barrow. I don’t get it. I know. And the League One days I remember were us getting beaten at the likes of Crewe, Walsall, Mansfield, Port Vale, Rochdale, Bury, Yeovil. It's all nostalgic now and I find it quite funny 20 years on that we lost at the likes of Macclesfield, Scunthorpe, Kidderminster but at the time it was anything but funny. A lot of our fans didn't experience those days and it really shows. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 30, 2024 14:48:05 GMT 1
Here’s two snippets from yesterday’s programme in Town Through Time section.
“ Mick Fairclough makes his last appearance in a 2-0 Division 3 defeat at Walsall”
“ Frank Sinclair makes his last appearance in a 4-1 defeat at Oldham Athletic “
What the hell is exciting about that?
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 30, 2024 14:50:50 GMT 1
Some town fans seem to revel being a big fish in a small pond and are more comfortable crowing about having more fans at places like Barrow than Barrow. I don’t get it. I know. And the League One days I remember were us getting beaten at the likes of Crewe, Walsall, Mansfield, Port Vale, Rochdale, Bury, Yeovil. It's all nostalgic now and I find it quite funny 20 years on that we lost at the likes of Macclesfield, Scunthorpe, Kidderminster but at the time it was anything but funny. A lot of our fans didn't experience those days and it really shows. I think plenty did experience those days. But they love the comfort blanket of a good away following in an empty league 1 dump. No other fanbase smalltimes itself like this one. |
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Post by rickrast on Mar 30, 2024 14:51:49 GMT 1
League One.....doesn't sound as off-putting as the old 'Third Division North'.
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 30, 2024 15:23:48 GMT 1
Here’s two snippets from yesterday’s programme in Town Through Time section. “ Mick Fairclough makes his last appearance in a 2-0 Division 3 defeat at Walsall” “ Frank Sinclair makes his last appearance in a 4-1 defeat at Oldham Athletic “ What the hell is exciting about that? Agreed. Just need some moron to go and interview Fairclough and Sinclair now. |
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Post by detox on Mar 30, 2024 16:27:19 GMT 1
last season Pld 39 for 36 against 55, GD -19, Points 39, league position 22nd
this season Pld 39 for 43 against 64, GD -21, Points 39, league position 22nd
the difference will be, NW gained 14 points from the last 7 games...
It also reveals no progress whatsoever in KN's first season in charge.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Mar 30, 2024 18:58:32 GMT 1
The frustrating part has been the smug contrarianism for years, this attitude that we're smarter than the average club despite shooting ourselves in the foot time and time again. Then MC and JE nonchalantly palming off supporter concerns, what do we know eh?
"I know as fans you want signings in the door quickly, but we have to be patient" - Proceeds to have a shocking summer window.
"I know fans have an emotional connection to Neil, but we're in a position of strength to make a long term appointment" - No, we're just wondering why you gave someone the pre season and then ripped it all up again after making it clear you needed stability this year.
Maybe get some runs on the board before you start patronisingly patting us on the head.
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Post by Jimuano on Mar 30, 2024 19:23:58 GMT 1
The frustrating part has been the smug contrarianism for years, this attitude that we're smarter than the average club despite shooting ourselves in the foot time and time again. Then MC and JE nonchalantly palming off supporter concerns, what do we know eh? "I know as fans you want signings in the door quickly, but we have to be patient" - Proceeds to have a shocking summer window. "I know fans have an emotional connection to Neil, but we're in a position of strength to make a long term appointment" - No, we're just wondering why you gave someone the pre season and then ripped it all up again after making it clear you needed stability this year. Maybe get some runs on the board before you start patronisingly patting us on the head. No matter what happened with Warnock behind the scenes, him being sacked at that time is the reason we're probably going to go down. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2024 19:26:37 GMT 1
18 months. 6 managers. Constantly battling relegation. When will some fans realise it's not the manager? The players are not good enough. Maybe League One is what we need, full factory reset. If that does happen, I for one, hope we stick with the manager. Said it before, all these managers we've had can't all be shit. Most posters on here will have labelled them as such over their tenures ! |
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