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Post by irverino on Mar 31, 2024 12:47:15 GMT 1
Town had a settlet team under both Warnock and Worthington and there was no need for change until maybe the end of the seasonTown have got what they deserve as the club seems to be very badly run mainly by those actually running the club The person they should have been sacked was the one under Nagle who appointed Moore as that was the beginning of the end Did AB offer or was he coaxed to come in before end of the season, keeping KR on board you expected the team to stay settled & continue good form from Feb.......Disappeared after Lids game. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 31, 2024 12:48:04 GMT 1
Agreed, very gung-ho and believed he could hit the football big time before his cash ran out. I wonder what would have happened had COVID not hit. Sliding Doors moment? Very good point. Could have been a very different outcome for us and Phil. |
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Post by desertstorm on Mar 31, 2024 13:02:08 GMT 1
How many times has it been said, wrong man, wrong time around various different managers ?!
The problem on this occasion isn’t the manager, it isn’t the coaching staff. It’s simply a lack of quality across our squad, and years of underinvestment.
These players have performed over and above their ability and have been expected to do so with little to no help. New team mates that are nothing more than ‘projects’
Add to that, there’s a sporting director that shouldn’t be in this job and a CEO whose silence is deafening. I don’t particularly like the way either of them operate.
KN has good intentions for the club, I just feel that he needs some experience around him, and in my opinion MC is not the person for the job.
Let’s get behind AB, KN and the players for the rest of this season. We’re going to have an important role to play in staying up. Come the end of the season, come rain or shine you’ve got to say it’s over to KN to give our fan base something to really cheer about.
The mentality at this club over a long time has been poor, I think we will see a true step change from the club that will become evident in the coming months.
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 31, 2024 13:23:47 GMT 1
How many times has it been said, wrong man, wrong time around various different managers ?! The problem on this occasion isn’t the manager, it isn’t the coaching staff. It’s simply a lack of quality across our squad, and years of underinvestment. These players have performed over and above their ability and have been expected to do so with little to no help. New team mates that are nothing more than ‘projects’ Add to that, there’s a sporting director that shouldn’t be in this job and a CEO whose silence is deafening. I don’t particularly like the way either of them operate. KN has good intentions for the club, I just feel that he needs some experience around him, and in my opinion MC is not the person for the job. Let’s get behind AB, KN and the players for the rest of this season. We’re going to have an important role to play in staying up. Come the end of the season, come rain or shine you’ve got to say it’s over to KN to give our fan base something to really cheer about. The mentality at this club over a long time has been poor, I think we will see a true step change from the club that will become evident in the coming months. Brilliant post. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 31, 2024 13:35:02 GMT 1
Town had a settlet team under both Warnock and Worthington and there was no need for change until maybe the end of the seasonTown have got what they deserve as the club seems to be very badly run mainly by those actually running the club The person they should have been sacked was the one under Nagle who appointed Moore as that was the beginning of the end Did AB offer or was he coaxed to come in before end of the season, keeping KR on board you expected the team to stay settled & continue good form from Feb.......Disappeared after Lids game. As good a coach KR may be, as far as I'm aware he has zero experience in the championship and is new to the club. Spent all of his coaching career in the lower leagues as far as I'm aware. Contrast to Mike Marsh who Wagner had to lean on, championship, premier league and international experience and a really good CV. Another lack lustre appointment on the face of it to go with the executive team, DM et al and the vast majority of signings. One thing AB doesnt seem to have been able to do so far is motivate, they looked completely flat on Friday and also like they didnt really know what they were supposed to be doing. Lots of looking round at each other in confusion in the first half. Lots of losing 50/50s. He also seems to have fallen out with Koroma who I assume is poor in training, not a new thing, always been inconsistent but now isnt the time to to trying to change lifetime habits. Whatever they have been doing to date isnt working, contrast that to the clubs around us, many of whom are flying like we were this time last season, I think that's why most of us strongly suspect we're screwed. Whatever happens I suspect big changes will be made based on the absolute bollocks they've made of this season. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 31, 2024 13:38:13 GMT 1
How many times has it been said, wrong man, wrong time around various different managers ?! The problem on this occasion isn’t the manager, it isn’t the coaching staff. It’s simply a lack of quality across our squad, and years of underinvestment. These players have performed over and above their ability and have been expected to do so with little to no help. New team mates that are nothing more than ‘projects’ Add to that, there’s a sporting director that shouldn’t be in this job and a CEO whose silence is deafening. I don’t particularly like the way either of them operate. KN has good intentions for the club, I just feel that he needs some experience around him, and in my opinion MC is not the person for the job. Let’s get behind AB, KN and the players for the rest of this season. We’re going to have an important role to play in staying up. Come the end of the season, come rain or shine you’ve got to say it’s over to KN to give our fan base something to really cheer about. The mentality at this club over a long time has been poor, I think we will see a true step change from the club that will become evident in the coming months. The step change surely has to involve the dismissal of the CEO and DOF. That's two pretty huge decisions that I cannot see Kevin taking lightly. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 31, 2024 13:45:54 GMT 1
How many times has it been said, wrong man, wrong time around various different managers ?! The problem on this occasion isn’t the manager, it isn’t the coaching staff. It’s simply a lack of quality across our squad, and years of underinvestment. These players have performed over and above their ability and have been expected to do so with little to no help. New team mates that are nothing more than ‘projects’ Add to that, there’s a sporting director that shouldn’t be in this job and a CEO whose silence is deafening. I don’t particularly like the way either of them operate. KN has good intentions for the club, I just feel that he needs some experience around him, and in my opinion MC is not the person for the job. Let’s get behind AB, KN and the players for the rest of this season. We’re going to have an important role to play in staying up. Come the end of the season, come rain or shine you’ve got to say it’s over to KN to give our fan base something to really cheer about. The mentality at this club over a long time has been poor, I think we will see a true step change from the club that will become evident in the coming months. The step change surely has to involve the dismissal of the CEO and DOF. That's two pretty huge decisions that I cannot see Kevin taking lightly. No idea what JE does as we never hear anything from him or about him. MC on the other hand has overseen this utter shambles of a season. Id be way more surprised if that wasnt his first decision at the end of the season. It ought to be. |
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Post by desertstorm on Mar 31, 2024 13:53:40 GMT 1
How many times has it been said, wrong man, wrong time around various different managers ?! The problem on this occasion isn’t the manager, it isn’t the coaching staff. It’s simply a lack of quality across our squad, and years of underinvestment. These players have performed over and above their ability and have been expected to do so with little to no help. New team mates that are nothing more than ‘projects’ Add to that, there’s a sporting director that shouldn’t be in this job and a CEO whose silence is deafening. I don’t particularly like the way either of them operate. KN has good intentions for the club, I just feel that he needs some experience around him, and in my opinion MC is not the person for the job. Let’s get behind AB, KN and the players for the rest of this season. We’re going to have an important role to play in staying up. Come the end of the season, come rain or shine you’ve got to say it’s over to KN to give our fan base something to really cheer about. The mentality at this club over a long time has been poor, I think we will see a true step change from the club that will become evident in the coming months. The step change surely has to involve the dismissal of the CEO and DOF. That's two pretty huge decisions that I cannot see Kevin taking lightly. Whoever described DM as a manager who could deliver an attacking style of play that would become more potent with time needs sacking. Lazy, lazy work. And the poor showing of togetherness MC would show by going down to the dugouts at full time to shake hands with the players was nothing short of laughable. Needless to say that seems to have stopped. Sidenote - Worthington should have been left in charge - He didn’t want to do it until the end of the season, neither did he want the job on a permanent. So let’s not throw stones at those that then made a decision to go with AB straight away. |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 31, 2024 14:48:08 GMT 1
Right man, right time. He will keep us up
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 31, 2024 14:52:58 GMT 1
I wonder what would have happened had COVID not hit. Sliding Doors moment? Very good point. Could have been a very different outcome for us and Phil. It was nothing to do with COVID! Amazing how this myth is still repeated. |
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Post by swam4mwg on Mar 31, 2024 14:59:21 GMT 1
Town have traditionally struggled at Championship level since the 1980's.
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Post by willo on Mar 31, 2024 15:03:00 GMT 1
Did AB offer or was he coaxed to come in before end of the season, keeping KR on board you expected the team to stay settled & continue good form from Feb.......Disappeared after Lids game. As good a coach KR may be, as far as I'm aware he has zero experience in the championship and is new to the club. Spent all of his coaching career in the lower leagues as far as I'm aware. Contrast to Mike Marsh who Wagner had to lean on, championship, premier league and international experience and a really good CV. Another lack lustre appointment on the face of it to go with the executive team, DM et al and the vast majority of signings. One thing AB doesnt seem to have been able to do so far is motivate, they looked completely flat on Friday and also like they didnt really know what they were supposed to be doing. Lots of looking round at each other in confusion in the first half. Lots of losing 50/50s. He also seems to have fallen out with Koroma who I assume is poor in training, not a new thing, always been inconsistent but now isnt the time to to trying to change lifetime habits. Whatever they have been doing to date isnt working, contrast that to the clubs around us, many of whom are flying like we were this time last season, I think that's why most of us strongly suspect we're screwed. Whatever happens I suspect big changes will be made based on the absolute bollocks they've made of this season. What was worrying for me on Friday was the lack of motivation from the bench. 12 months ago under NW, he would have tried to get the crowd going (certainly at 2-1 down), made his subs earlier and been in the face of the 4th official - there was none of this v Cov. To caveat, I like AB and as others have said, if we can stay up this season I am pretty optimistic of decent things from him next season if he can bring some quality in in the summer but he needs to show some emotion on the touch line given we are fighting for our lives. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Mar 31, 2024 15:51:08 GMT 1
Right man, right time. He will keep us up Hope your crystal ball is in good order! |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 31, 2024 16:04:38 GMT 1
AB doesn't have a clue how to get the best out of this squad. I'd seriously call it a day now and bring Worthington back in for the last 7 I said this a week ago and it felt a bit knee jerk on my part but we see in the prem any kind of change however late that might bring about a change they do it. We’re in the same position imo. We need to survive for financial reasons. Worthington might have been a bit tactically naive but 1) He’d got a reaction from the players. 2) We looked like scoring goals again 3) Fans were behind him 4) His press conferences suggested detail knowledge of players & good man management of the players It made no sense brining in a foreign manager so late on… whoever they brought in wasn’t going to know the players better than Worthy. They couldn’t be more invested than Worthy either. AB can come here not keep us up. Not take much flak/responsibility for it & leave in May and get another job in Europe. Meanwhile we could be left stinking up league one and beyond for another decade… |
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Post by waggers on Mar 31, 2024 17:21:10 GMT 1
Very good point. Could have been a very different outcome for us and Phil. It was nothing to do with COVID! Amazing how this myth is still repeated. Fair enough he didn't have enough money, end of. Seemed to make some good appointments in terms of personel. Far cry from today's club. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 31, 2024 17:24:20 GMT 1
It was nothing to do with COVID! Amazing how this myth is still repeated. Fair enough he didn't have enough money, end of. Seemed to make some good appointments in terms of personel. Far cry from today's club. Yeah, Leigh Bromby was one of his, wasn't he. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 31, 2024 17:37:26 GMT 1
Agree, i dont know what some are thinking when they come out with crap like that. A lot of the time, it's people that weren't around in the League One days. I keep reading about all these brilliant away days in League One. I don't remember many of them? Hahahaa.. I think the season in league 2 playing at teams like Mansfield, chesterfield, Scunthorpe, Notts County were very old school footie away day trips and some good results too that boosted the experiences even more. But generally my memory was the very long and very shit period in league 1. I want to see quality footballers and well drilled teams like Coventry on Friday. (But competing with them). I like championship football and financially it’s a world away from league one and two. A good manager should be able to have a decent budget to sign good players. League one you’ve gotta polish shite or have old players… |
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Post by Tinpot on Mar 31, 2024 17:47:56 GMT 1
Is Breitenreiter the right guy for the club? I genuinely don't know.
It seems now that the players aren't playing for him. Usually that would be a damning indictment on the head coach but frankly I don't think the players have enough credit in the bank to have me side with them on this. If we bring in someone else tomorrow, are they suddenly going to become world beaters?
They've been shit for a while now, under a series of different managers. They are the issue.
That's not to say we don't have any good players. We absolutely do. But the squad building appears to have been utterly haphazard. A complete lack of joined up thinking. We're 7 games from the end of the season and I still can't see a single formation that I would be happy to see us play with the personnel we have. To get the best out of one player you need to shoehorn others into a role they're not very good at.
Whichever division we are in next season, we need a clear out. No sacred cows, I'd even see about getting what we can for our better players and build a squad where the players complement one another. If Breitenreiter is willing to stay next season then give him the tools to give it a really good go, regardless of which division we are in.
If not, get his replacement in early and give them those tools.
Sacking Breitenreiter at this stage would be insane. The sort of thing an absolute basket case of a club would do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2024 18:50:25 GMT 1
AB doesn't have a clue how to get the best out of this squad. I'd seriously call it a day now and bring Worthington back in for the last 7 I said this a week ago and it felt a bit knee jerk on my part but we see in the prem any kind of change however late that might bring about a change they do it. We’re in the same position imo. We need to survive for financial reasons. Worthington might have been a bit tactically naive but 1) He’d got a reaction from the players. 2) We looked like scoring goals again 3) Fans were behind him 4) His press conferences suggested detail knowledge of players & good man management of the players It made no sense brining in a foreign manager so late on… whoever they brought in wasn’t going to know the players better than Worthy. They couldn’t be more invested than Worthy either. AB can come here not keep us up. Not take much flak/responsibility for it & leave in May and get another job in Europe. Meanwhile we could be left stinking up league one and beyond for another decade… Worthy wants to head up the big changes to the academy, which are already underway. It is what he wants to do. Keeping him as interim manager and giving him the pressure of keeping us up would have been very unfair. Getting a competent manager in was what we needed and, IMHO, we have done that. Every time we lose this board has a meltdown. Coventry were better than us and have been building to be this good for several seasons. This ship will not be turned quickly. I honestly believe we have enough to stay up and I think AB can do it. However if we don't, and I know it will give us financial issues, and we drop to League 1 then so be it, it is not the end of the world. We have been through dropping to League 2 and just avoiding administration so if we need to rebuild from League 1 then we go from there. Ipswich have managed fairly well. |
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Post by waggers on Mar 31, 2024 20:19:58 GMT 1
Fair enough he didn't have enough money, end of. Seemed to make some good appointments in terms of personel. Far cry from today's club. Yeah, Leigh Bromby was one of his, wasn't he. Every club can point to one or two duff appointments. Need to weigh them up against the good. |
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Post by Wingman on Mar 31, 2024 20:25:51 GMT 1
Fair enough he didn't have enough money, end of. Seemed to make some good appointments in terms of personel. Far cry from today's club. Yeah, Leigh Bromby was one of his, wasn't he. Came in as Academy Manager under DH, promoted to DoF under PH. I liked PH’s ideas for the club and feel it’s a shame he couldn’t see some of that through, but we move on. The past can’t be changed, only learnt from. Something we are terrible at, at Huddersfield Town. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 31, 2024 20:27:04 GMT 1
Yeah, Leigh Bromby was one of his, wasn't he. Came in as Academy Manager under DH, promoted to DoF under PH. I liked PH’s ideas for the club and feel it’s a shame he couldn’t see some of that through, but we move on. The last can’t be changed, only learnt from. Something we are terrible at, at Huddersfield Town. Hodgkinson was an idiot. It was amateur hour throughout his tenure and he takes a lot of the blame for our current predicament, yet he's seen on here as this great chairman. Mental. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 31, 2024 20:35:11 GMT 1
Very good point. Could have been a very different outcome for us and Phil. It was nothing to do with COVID! Amazing how this myth is still repeated. I wish I was a quid behind him, on a personal wealth level, but he never had the kind of cash it needs to run a Championship club. His businesses were built on sand, and unfortunately they were washed away fairly easily. Not by COVID, but by market forces that he could have predicted. Five years on, that shoddy deal cooked up by Hoyle and him still hangs around like a bad smell. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 31, 2024 20:49:22 GMT 1
Came in as Academy Manager under DH, promoted to DoF under PH. I liked PH’s ideas for the club and feel it’s a shame he couldn’t see some of that through, but we move on. The last can’t be changed, only learnt from. Something we are terrible at, at Huddersfield Town. Hodgkinson was an idiot. It was amateur hour throughout his tenure and he takes a lot of the blame for our current predicament, yet he's seen on here as this great chairman. Mental. I do like your well thought through analysis and eloquent posts. That noted the truth in judging the PH era is somewhere in the middle. I think from a football viewpoint he was brave enough to let the Cowleys go (with hindsight it wasn't that brave) and look to introduce a coach with an identity, recruit to that identity and build the academy in the same vein. Whether you agree with the style of football at least he had a plan and was prepared to stand behind it. On the flip side he said some dopey stuff and wasn't the best in presenting himself. The deal between DH and PH was also something that did not help the club in the long term. Both men hid behind nda's and weren't willing to be up front with the fans. There was a little bit of treating us with a little bit of contempt. It's an era that can only be looked at with a significant degree of frustration. It certainly has a significant influence on our current situation. We all have to move on however, learn from the past and hope, and it is only hope, that Mr Nagle takes us forward. Unfortunately taking us forward maybe from League One. What we all need is some confidence in our owner and to get away from our recent boardroom history. At the moment we are still stuck in the past in every sense. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 31, 2024 21:00:48 GMT 1
Hodgkinson was an idiot. It was amateur hour throughout his tenure and he takes a lot of the blame for our current predicament, yet he's seen on here as this great chairman. Mental. That noted the truth in judging the PH era is somewhere in the middle. I think from a football viewpoint he was brave enough to let the Cowleys go (with hindsight it wasn't that brave) and look to introduce a coach with an identity, recruit to that identity and build the academy in the same vein. Whether you agree with the style of football at least he had a plan and was prepared to stand behind it. On the flip side he said some dopey stuff and wasn't the best in presenting himself. The deal between DH and PH was also something that did not help the club in the long term. Both men hid behind nda's and weren't willing to be up front with the fans. There was a little bit of treating us with a little bit of contempt. It's an era that can only be looked at with a significant degree of frustration. It certainly has a significant influence on our current situation. We all have to move on however, learn from the past and hope, and it is only hope, that Mr Nagle takes us forward. Unfortunately taking us forward maybe from League One. What we all need is some confidence in our owner and to get away from our recent boardroom history. At the moment we are still stuck in the past in every sense. I'm not articulate, nor eloquent, I just say it how I see it. I make no apologies for that. I do actually agree that one of his better decisions was to get rid of Cowley, though he was slagged off to high heaven for it on here at the time. All the Twitter stuff, sat on the team photo in his own training kit, the Danny Simpson affair, "we're going to Europe" nonsense and lots of other stuff I can't be bothered going into, just summed him up. He was someone who was merely playing at being a Football League chairman. He knew he couldn't afford to run a Championship club, yet he still went ahead and did it and lo and behold, he went bankrupt and left us in a right state. He arrived at the club under an FA charge (which actually delayed him passing the fit and proper test) and was just a chancer with big ideas but nothing to back it up with. As I said, it's mental how he's seen as a good chairman on here. |
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Post by aideybabes on Mar 31, 2024 21:43:23 GMT 1
I can never fathom why people say league one is needed, good for us etc etc. It will be a disaster! Agree with you though, we should stick with AB. It can reset stagnant teams, Ipswich were down there for longer than they'd like but are a good outfit these days. I believe the point is sometimes you need to be punished to learn a lesson. It's like every season we get away with it, we go and make even more farcical decisions the next. I support Town and always will, but my anger has turned to apathy. I'm not saying I want us to be relegated but the changes it should produce are needed. I'm tired of every season hoping other teams lose, because we've already been beaten after 25 minutes. Do you not remember how hard it was for us to get to the championship in the first place? I just can’t agree with going to league 1 to reset or rebuild etc. |
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Post by utttrooper on Mar 31, 2024 22:04:05 GMT 1
It can reset stagnant teams, Ipswich were down there for longer than they'd like but are a good outfit these days. I believe the point is sometimes you need to be punished to learn a lesson. It's like every season we get away with it, we go and make even more farcical decisions the next. I support Town and always will, but my anger has turned to apathy. I'm not saying I want us to be relegated but the changes it should produce are needed. I'm tired of every season hoping other teams lose, because we've already been beaten after 25 minutes. Do you not remember how hard it was for us to get to the championship in the first place? I just can’t agree with going to league 1 to reset or rebuild etc. I agree. Whilst it won't definitely take 13 years to get back it certainly will delay us moving to an upward trajectory and will definitely limit the quality we can attract if we're gonna do a proper rebuild in the summer |
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Post by richhtfc on Mar 31, 2024 23:11:35 GMT 1
It can reset stagnant teams, Ipswich were down there for longer than they'd like but are a good outfit these days. I believe the point is sometimes you need to be punished to learn a lesson. It's like every season we get away with it, we go and make even more farcical decisions the next. I support Town and always will, but my anger has turned to apathy. I'm not saying I want us to be relegated but the changes it should produce are needed. I'm tired of every season hoping other teams lose, because we've already been beaten after 25 minutes. Do you not remember how hard it was for us to get to the championship in the first place? I just can’t agree with going to league 1 to reset or rebuild etc. It’s not a choice, it’s a realistic view of where we are as a club, we likely need to suffer a bit because we’ve made bad decisions. That said I’ve seen enough from this owner backing wise, that I think we’ll make a relatively quick return. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 5:23:39 GMT 1
Came in as Academy Manager under DH, promoted to DoF under PH. I liked PH’s ideas for the club and feel it’s a shame he couldn’t see some of that through, but we move on. The last can’t be changed, only learnt from. Something we are terrible at, at Huddersfield Town. Hodgkinson was an idiot. It was amateur hour throughout his tenure and he takes a lot of the blame for our current predicament, yet he's seen on here as this great chairman. Mental. He was given the club by his mate to be the fall guy for syphoning off the parachute payments / player sales with the guarantee he could sell a debt free championship club down the line that he was gifted for free almost. Called it on day 1 and was blasted for it here. It was clear what was going on and that he didn't have any where close tot he kind of money required to run a championship club. |
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Apr 1, 2024 10:44:51 GMT 1
What we really need is Big Phil’s brains with Nagle’s pockets. Sadly, our recent history is like a double helix: we’ve either had money or nous but never both together. for all his faults which theirs a few, Phil got the men to save us and knew when to move them on, all he was missing as an owner was unfortunately the biggest bit, some bloody brass 🙄 |
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