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Post by htafcokay on Apr 10, 2024 9:04:16 GMT 1
Seriously, are we the only fans that blame everything on referees?
Lose a game = ref's fault.
Get relegated = ref's fault.
Don't get promoted = ref's fault.
Never the players, is it?
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Post by huddshroom on Apr 10, 2024 9:05:26 GMT 1
It was also the refs fault we let a sub score an 8 min hat trick
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Post by alanalanleeee on Apr 10, 2024 9:10:05 GMT 1
Pearson, Helik, Burgzorg, Spencer and Nicholls all showed fight last night to be fair to them. That isn’t to say they hold any quality whatsoever. The rest of them were miles off it and can only count themselves lucky to be playing in this league.
I still have faith in Andre, he knows what he’s doing. You can tell he has pedigree, when you listen to bad managers you can see right through them, when I look at Andre I just feel sympathetic if anything.
Been going to watch town for the last 20+ years (which I know isn’t very long compared to most on here), and this is by far the worst team I’ve ever seen.
Thinking back to when we had Gary Roberts on one side and Pilks on the other, we were pushing for playoffs in league one and we were so exciting to watch. We got pumped every now and then but the players were electric, even with Alan fucking Lee up top. The attitude of this current lot is embarrassing compared.
Part of me wants us to get relegated so we can get shut of this piss weak squad and start building again with proper financial backing and a manager who can build his own squad.
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Post by sonny on Apr 10, 2024 9:23:59 GMT 1
Our players constantly do stupid things that you don't see opposition players doing. We have to scrap to get the ball back. In possession we just cough it up through lack of ability, Thomas is one of our best players but he does it all the time. That flick he does off the outside of his foot drives me up the wall. Last night he picked the ball up centrally in his own half and bombed upfield leaving several Preston players in his wake. He carved them open. Wiles was in on goal if Thomas could have accurately played a simple 15 yard pass. But of course he couldn't.
When required to do things at speed and under pressure their technique crumbles. They are mentally weak. The club can stick those training videos where they are dancing through possession drills and whacking it into an empty net up their arses.
League 1 is not going to improve them. Kasumu is not going to be able to control amd pass a football because he's dropped down a division. Jackson is not going to suddenly grasp where he needs to stand on a football pitch. Pearson will still be launching it nowhere in particular. And Ward will still be injured.
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Post by Wingman on Apr 10, 2024 9:26:38 GMT 1
This is the worry for me. We all talk about relegation being a reset and clearing the squad but will we be able to? Would we if we survived? I can’t see it.
So if we dropped we would still have the bulk of these clowns, and we’ll be on here raging about losing 3-1 at The Valley or 4-0 at Oakwell.
The problems remain deep rooted. It’s going to take painful surgery to clear this infested wound out; Cartwright, first team squad, some coaches (what has Kevin Russell added?), some of the young lads that have been given a chance clearly can’t cut it either - a result of the academy being closed for so long and no meaningful B team fixtures.
Read relegation from the Premier League, it’s the same story now as we face League One.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 10, 2024 9:27:42 GMT 1
This is the worry for me. We all talk about relegation being a reset and clearing the squad but will we be able to? Would we if we survived? I can’t see it. So if we dropped we would still have the bulk of these clowns, and we’ll be on here raging about losing 3-1 at The Valley or 4-0 at Oakwell. The problems remain deep rooted. It’s going to take painful surgery to clear this infested wound out; Cartwright, first team squad, some coaches (what has Kevin Russell added?), some of the young lads that have been given a chance clearly can’t cut it either - a result of the academy being closed for so long and no meaningful B team fixtures. Read relegation from the Premier League, it’s the same story now as we face League One. They're a bunch of losers. Losing is all they know, so it's important that we get rid of as many of them as possible. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 10, 2024 9:33:37 GMT 1
This is the worry for me. We all talk about relegation being a reset and clearing the squad but will we be able to? Would we if we survived? I can’t see it. So if we dropped we would still have the bulk of these clowns, and we’ll be on here raging about losing 3-1 at The Valley or 4-0 at Oakwell. The problems remain deep rooted. It’s going to take painful surgery to clear this infested wound out; Cartwright, first team squad, some coaches (what has Kevin Russell added?), some of the young lads that have been given a chance clearly can’t cut it either - a result of the academy being closed for so long and no meaningful B team fixtures. Read relegation from the Premier League, it’s the same story now as we face League One. People might read this and think it is negative, but it isn't it is what is required irrespective if we survive or not. If we don't address the changes we need we will never move forward. |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 10, 2024 9:35:52 GMT 1
The gulf in quality that second half was embarrassing
Preston..Nice slick passing and comfortable on the ball playing with purpose...then you look at us..its like we were trying to pass a bag of cement
I had a light bulb moment last night...we really are shit and look every much a bottom 3 side
I can't see anything other than another hiding on Saturday
I have tried to remain positive most of the season but its now clear to me we just aren't good enough...Millwall can beat Leicester...Owls come back from 2 nil down to draw with Norwich...and us,we get hit for 3/4 goals by any team in the top half of the table....we really have sunk a long way down!!
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 10, 2024 10:07:43 GMT 1
This. I couldn't say it was definitely not a penalty, because there was some contact - but if that's a foul anywhere on the pitch then the ref might as well not take the whistle out of his mouth from kick off until final whistle. There are more refs that would book him for simulation than give that penalty. The refs in this league are awful. But surely the manager and players should know this. Stop giving them decisions to make!!!! It was shear crap play on our part that forced matos to have to make a challenge. After that we simply fell apart. Absolutely Pathetic. Oh, I agree completely. Absolutely dreadful bit of play to be in that position in the first place. I was solely commenting on the referee's decision. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Apr 10, 2024 10:15:51 GMT 1
Can't wait to see the back of this season, absolute s*** show!
Thought the first half was good with a lot of huff and puff but just the usual lack of quality in key moments. Our inability to pass the chuffing ball really is alarming. Think we were 1-0 up when we got the ball wide on the left and, I can't remember who had the ball, but he looked up to see Sorba bursting through unmarked down the centre. Just a simple ball through into his path and he's in, but by the time he's received said pass he's out by the corner flag. How is it so bad? Second half and Pat Jones had an option of a simple ball inside to an unmarked Healy, who's seemingly screaming for the ball, but instead Jones holds onto it and tries to run through a man instead, inevitably losing possession. Proper head in your hands stuff all game, week in, week out.
Duane Holmes showing us exactly why we should have kept him. Tidy on the ball, carrying it forward with purpose and producing key passes. Why fans used to give him a hard time I've no idea. I mean, compare him to Wiles and Rudoni and you see why we're in this situation. Replacing a decent Championship standard player with an inferior option.
Feel sorry for Andre in some respects but he's made some bizarre decisions. No subs at Rotherham and then taking out the midfield last night to name a few. Even from the off and starting with Jackson?! How's he got straight back in the line-up following that first half against Millwall? I don't get it. I'd have rather have seen an option with Edwards at right back and Spencer on the left.
Surely it's time for us to be in League One now, we can't continue to be this s*** and get away with it.
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Post by huddshroom on Apr 10, 2024 10:27:14 GMT 1
The gulf in quality that second half was embarrassing Preston..Nice slick passing and comfortable on the ball playing with purpose...then you look at us..its like we were trying to pass a bag of cement I had a light bulb moment last night...we really are shit and look every much a bottom 3 side I can't see anything other than another hiding on Saturday I have tried to remain positive most of the season but its now clear to me we just aren't good enough...Millwall can beat Leicester...Owls come back from 2 nil down to draw with Norwich...and us,we get hit for 3/4 goals by any team in the top half of the table....we really have sunk a long way down!! That Duane Holmes fella looked alright too |
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Post by royrace on Apr 10, 2024 10:29:48 GMT 1
Can't believe I'm reading it's not a penalty. Looked 100% a penalty in person and not a single person in the stands or pitch really complained. If that was the other way around and not given there'd be people on here asking for the refs address. Even if the ref has made a mistake, it's not his fault we have 6-8 players who cannot trap or pass a ball 5 yards. It's closer than I thought but having watched the replay the Preston player and Matos are running toward the ball, Matos puts his leg out to play the ball and does so, the Preston player puts his leg out to make contact with Matos foot which he manages a split second before Matos plays the ball. Not a penalty, you don't get a pen by aiming a kick at the oppositions foot as he is going to play the ball, that's simulation, not the overt type but its no pen. I think if the ref watches it again its no pen. I'm no ref but I'd be amazed if a ref watches that back and says its a pen, you'd usually always get the benefit of the doubt on that as a defender. The Town players were going mental btw, commentator said it was very harsh, ref didn't look interested in giving it until the Preston players loud appeals. Another thing we're crap at, the Town players would barely have appealed, another reason we haven't had one at home in years. |
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Post by detox on Apr 10, 2024 10:37:29 GMT 1
We've never recovered from the management decision making since relegated from the PL...despite Carlos taking us to Wembley we didn't have the money to encourage him to stay...but the rot set in when we left the PL totally skint and massively in debt. It's a sad story and a textbook of what not to do.
We can blame the players, or the manager..but ultimately it's the senior decision makers who've cocked this up..
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Post by detox on Apr 10, 2024 10:39:34 GMT 1
Can't believe I'm reading it's not a penalty. Looked 100% a penalty in person and not a single person in the stands or pitch really complained. If that was the other way around and not given there'd be people on here asking for the refs address. Even if the ref has made a mistake, it's not his fault we have 6-8 players who cannot trap or pass a ball 5 yards. It's closer than I thought but having watched the replay the Preston player and Matos are running toward the ball, Matos puts his leg out to play the ball and does so, the Preston player puts his leg out to make contact with Matos foot which he manages a split second before Matos plays the ball. Not a penalty, you don't get a pen by aiming a kick at the oppositions foot as he is going to play the ball, that's simulation, not the overt type but its no pen. I think if the ref watches it again its no pen. I'm no ref but I'd be amazed if a ref watches that back and says its a pen, you'd usually always get the benefit of the doubt on that as a defender. The Town players were going mental btw, commentator said it was very harsh, ref didn't look interested in giving it until the Preston players loud appeals. Another thing we're crap at, the Town players would barely have appealed, another reason we haven't had one at home in years. What about the 2nd appeal later on ? That looked more like a pen but not given... |
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 10, 2024 10:46:52 GMT 1
I went to bed last night feeling angrier than I've ever felt as a town fan. Today I just feel absolutely gutted. They have let down the fans but most importantly those poor souls in the back who will be redundant when the financial reality of relegation dawns on the owners.
I have no hatred towards Kevin Nagle, I think his heart is in the right place and he will be hurting every bit as much as the rest of us but by jove is he naive.
I don't know how we come back from league 1. We lost millions last year and now our TV money will cost us even more. We can't sign better players and the only thing that we can do to fill that gap is to sell our best players.
A team which will now likely be built around the likes of Jackson, Kasumu, Pearson, Lees, Jones, Koroma and Ward.
What a fucking stinger
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Post by royrace on Apr 10, 2024 10:50:14 GMT 1
It's closer than I thought but having watched the replay the Preston player and Matos are running toward the ball, Matos puts his leg out to play the ball and does so, the Preston player puts his leg out to make contact with Matos foot which he manages a split second before Matos plays the ball. Not a penalty, you don't get a pen by aiming a kick at the oppositions foot as he is going to play the ball, that's simulation, not the overt type but its no pen. I think if the ref watches it again its no pen. I'm no ref but I'd be amazed if a ref watches that back and says its a pen, you'd usually always get the benefit of the doubt on that as a defender. The Town players were going mental btw, commentator said it was very harsh, ref didn't look interested in giving it until the Preston players loud appeals. Another thing we're crap at, the Town players would barely have appealed, another reason we haven't had one at home in years. What about the 2nd appeal later on ? That looked more like a pen but not given... Already realised he'd gifted them one I reckon, the second one I haven't seen back but looked worse than the second, would still have been very soft through imo. Put it this way we wouldn't have had it given!! |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Apr 10, 2024 11:01:09 GMT 1
Too many pages to look through so apologies if this has been covered. Apart from the fact that Matos should NEVER have been dilly dallying on the ball in our own box and should have just cleared the fucking ball, do people think it was a penalty? Never seen a penalty but the 2nd one involving Spencer should have been given IMO. Both incidents were entirely of our own making though, 2 awful touches then inexplicable panic from Matos then Spencer. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 10, 2024 11:02:11 GMT 1
I went to bed last night feeling angrier than I've ever felt as a town fan. Today I just feel absolutely gutted. They have let down the fans but most importantly those poor souls in the back who will be redundant when the financial reality of relegation dawns on the owners. I have no hatred towards Kevin Nagle, I think his heart is in the right place and he will be hurting every bit as much as the rest of us but by jove is he naive. I don't know how we come back from league 1. We lost millions last year and now our TV money will cost us even more. We can't sign better players and the only thing that we can do to fill that gap is to sell our best players. A team which will now likely be built around the likes of Jackson, Kasumu, Pearson, Lees, Jones, Koroma and Ward. What a fucking stinger Why can’t we sign better players? |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 10, 2024 12:15:05 GMT 1
Much bigger culprits last night but how shit was Pat Jones when he came on?!
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 10, 2024 12:20:23 GMT 1
Much bigger culprits last night but how shit was Pat Jones when he came on?! The term 'competition winner' is overused and should be reserved for cameos of this calibre. Not seen anything like it in a long time. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 10, 2024 12:27:25 GMT 1
Too many pages to look through so apologies if this has been covered. Apart from the fact that Matos should NEVER have been dilly dallying on the ball in our own box and should have just cleared the fucking ball, do people think it was a penalty? Never seen a penalty but the 2nd one involving Spencer should have been given IMO. Both incidents were entirely of our own making though, 2 awful touches then inexplicable panic from Matos then Spencer. Nicholls fault for the second one. He's so slow coming off his line. Compare it to the Stoke keeper who was like a sweeper and you realise how big a difference it can make |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2024 12:28:31 GMT 1
Can't believe I'm reading it's not a penalty. Looked 100% a penalty in person and not a single person in the stands or pitch really complained. If that was the other way around and not given there'd be people on here asking for the refs address. Even if the ref has made a mistake, it's not his fault we have 6-8 players who cannot trap or pass a ball 5 yards. The penalty changed the game. Changed the atmosphere from the Preston fans. Changed decisions AB made to try and win the game. Far more open game for them after the penalty. We may still have lost, but sitting deep and hitting on the break we could have scored another. Really poor decision because all the camera angles there is no contact, he plays the ball. Contrast that with Penalties we haven't been given recently where there was definite contact and ended up with players booked. Not evening itself out just yet. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 10, 2024 12:29:01 GMT 1
Much bigger culprits last night but how shit was Pat Jones when he came on?! The term 'competition winner' is overused and should be reserved for cameos of this calibre. Not seen anything like it in a long time. Another one that the club has pinned their hopes on. I was shocked to discover that the Stoke match was his first ever start. He made his debut in January 2021 for fucks sake! |
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Post by turbo2 on Apr 10, 2024 12:34:05 GMT 1
Never seen a penalty but the 2nd one involving Spencer should have been given IMO. Both incidents were entirely of our own making though, 2 awful touches then inexplicable panic from Matos then Spencer. fault for the second one. He's so slow coming off his line. Compare it to the Stoke keeper who was like a sweeper and you realise how big a difference it can make How many times last night did he play out from the back when the player receiving the ball had a man pressing him? Must be playing to instruction??? Ridiculous stuff. If the opposition have backed well away then fine, but seen as we need 20 yards space and 3 touches to get the ball under control surely its safer to simply get the ball up the field |
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Post by nicovaesen on Apr 10, 2024 12:36:15 GMT 1
Too many pages to look through so apologies if this has been covered. Apart from the fact that Matos should NEVER have been dilly dallying on the ball in our own box and should have just cleared the fucking ball, do people think it was a penalty? Never seen a penalty but the 2nd one involving Spencer should have been given IMO. Both incidents were entirely of our own making though, 2 awful touches then inexplicable panic from Matos then Spencer. The second arose from Nichols not reading the situation and coming out to claim the ball. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 10, 2024 12:36:28 GMT 1
It's closer than I thought but having watched the replay the Preston player and Matos are running toward the ball, Matos puts his leg out to play the ball and does so, the Preston player puts his leg out to make contact with Matos foot which he manages a split second before Matos plays the ball. Not a penalty, you don't get a pen by aiming a kick at the oppositions foot as he is going to play the ball, that's simulation, not the overt type but its no pen. I think if the ref watches it again its no pen. I'm no ref but I'd be amazed if a ref watches that back and says its a pen, you'd usually always get the benefit of the doubt on that as a defender. The Town players were going mental btw, commentator said it was very harsh, ref didn't look interested in giving it until the Preston players loud appeals. Another thing we're crap at, the Town players would barely have appealed, another reason we haven't had one at home in years. What about the 2nd appeal later on ? That looked more like a pen but not given... If the first non penalty is not given Preston might not get back into the game because at that point they hadn't had a shot on target. Certainly the game doesn't play out the same way and the panic between Spencer and Nicholls doesn't happen. Confidence is fragile and bad decisions are not levelling up for and against us at the minute. While the second was more of a penalty that is not an example of levelling up because without the first mistake by the ref the game plays out differently. Maybe they get 6 penalties but we will never know. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 10, 2024 12:40:34 GMT 1
The gulf in quality that second half was embarrassing Preston..Nice slick passing and comfortable on the ball playing with purpose...then you look at us..its like we were trying to pass a bag of cement I had a light bulb moment last night...we really are shit and look every much a bottom 3 side I can't see anything other than another hiding on Saturday I have tried to remain positive most of the season but its now clear to me we just aren't good enough...Millwall can beat Leicester...Owls come back from 2 nil down to draw with Norwich...and us,we get hit for 3/4 goals by any team in the top half of the table....we really have sunk a long way down!! That Duane Holmes fella looked alright too I think his departure from Town was more for financial reasons, I heard he was a high earner. In terms of a footballing decision, it was a wrong one. |
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 10, 2024 12:48:13 GMT 1
That Duane Holmes fella looked alright too I think his departure from Town was more for financial reasons, I heard he was a high earner. In terms of a footballing decision, it was a wrong one. You heard correct. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 10, 2024 12:51:59 GMT 1
It would be a squeeze, be prepared to be friendly..😬 Sorry no squeezing |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Apr 10, 2024 12:52:31 GMT 1
Never seen a penalty but the 2nd one involving Spencer should have been given IMO. Both incidents were entirely of our own making though, 2 awful touches then inexplicable panic from Matos then Spencer. The second arose from Nichols not reading the situation and coming out to claim the ball. I'd have to watch it again, I was paying more attention to the ball/Spencer on first viewing. My initial reaction as a defender is that you don't wait for an indecisive keeper in that situation. First sign of him fannying about, you put it into row Z. |
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