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Post by willo on Apr 14, 2024 0:01:08 GMT 1
Didn’t see anything other than a few mins of the first half, so I’d be interested to hear rational views on whether the time added on was justified? Logic says that if there were 5 mins added (yes I know it’s minimum, but they often blow up dead on the time if the game is a dead rubber), then that means the whole of the first 5 mins must have been lost to legitimate stoppages? Feels a bit bloody cruel today, after what seemed like a good performance and what would have been a deserved 3 points. The time added on top of the 5 mins was justified, there was a good 2-3 minutes dealing with an injury and then subs etc. Have rarely felt so gutted at the end of a match. Agreed. My beef today is not with the added on time but the absolutely appalling penalty decision, so bad it’s almost funny yet none of us are laughing tonight. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 14, 2024 0:05:49 GMT 1
One thing I doubt anyone will disagree with now, is that Swansea has to be a must win game. A point or worse and we’ll definitely be minesweeping at Johnnies, then hoping there’s still some slop left at Sapna’s…
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Post by htfcterry on Apr 14, 2024 7:29:35 GMT 1
I think this is the most gutted I've felt after a game in a very long time. It's a fucking huge blow.
Shout out to the team, I thought they were brilliant yesterday. So so unlucky.
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Post by jonbrno on Apr 14, 2024 7:45:40 GMT 1
We’ve gone from 10/11 to 13/8 on bet365. Don’t get that. That's surely wrong. The consensus across the bookmakers is roughly: Sheff Wed 1/3 Town 1/2 Birmingham 2/1 Everyone else 8/1 or more |
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Post by bennyh on Apr 14, 2024 7:56:36 GMT 1
Absolutely gutted about that result yesterday. What gets me about the extra time in injury time is that over 45 mins they concluded that 5 mins extra was appropriate. Fair enough. This is around 11% of the playing time but within that 5mins injury time, she found an additional 6mins extra which means in her opinion there was more stoppages in the 5mins injury time than in the entire previous 45mins. Thats 120% extra time over the 5mins which would be equivalent to playing 54mins injury time across a 45 min half. It’s almost like she was waiting for an opportunity to award that ridiculous penalty.
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Post by detox on Apr 14, 2024 7:57:12 GMT 1
I bottled out on 82 minutes, couldn't take the pressure with town 1-0 up.
Turned radio and phone off and did something else, praying we'd hang on.
I left it til 5pm to allow for any stoppages before tuning into the BBC sport website to have a peak at the scores.
Carefully scrolling down I saw 1-0 but it was still in blue and showed 90 plus 10.
I thought oh f*CK and quickly turned it off hoping I hadn't jinxed it.
Left it another 5 minutes, wandering if there'd been a bad injury or something.
Back I went at 5.07pm to check again but was shocked, horrified to see 1-1.
I HAD jinxed it.... bloody hell!
I'm sorry guys...I'm gutted.
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Post by rocky on Apr 14, 2024 7:59:30 GMT 1
We’ve gone from 10/11 to 13/8 on bet365. Don’t get that. That's surely wrong. That’s what I thought. Last night they definitely had; Wednesday 2/9. Town and Birmingham 13/8. I should have taken a screenshot. The app is down at the moment, probably correcting their mistake. I’d expect the truer odds are similar to Wednesday’s. |
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Post by rocky on Apr 14, 2024 8:12:13 GMT 1
Absolutely gutted about that result yesterday. What gets me about the extra time in injury time is that over 45 mins they concluded that 5 mins extra was appropriate. Fair enough. This is around 11% of the playing time but within that 5mins injury time, she found an additional 6mins extra which means in her opinion there was more stoppages in the 5mins injury time than in the entire previous 45mins. Thats 120% extra time over the 5mins which would be equivalent to playing 54mins injury time across a 45 min half. It’s almost like she was waiting for an opportunity to award that ridiculous penalty. The time was just about right. There were multiple stoppages in injury time which didn’t even start till 92.20 due time to Helik’s injury. I was watching it on ifollow with the clock in the corner and she gave the pen about 10 seconds before I’d worked out it should be time. I’m absolutely gutted as well cos this has consigned us to L1, but the issue isn’t the time, it’s the award of the penalty itself. Absolutely scandalous decision and it’s appalling she just gets away with it. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 14, 2024 8:23:31 GMT 1
Absolutely gutted about that result yesterday. What gets me about the extra time in injury time is that over 45 mins they concluded that 5 mins extra was appropriate. Fair enough. This is around 11% of the playing time but within that 5mins injury time, she found an additional 6mins extra which means in her opinion there was more stoppages in the 5mins injury time than in the entire previous 45mins. Thats 120% extra time over the 5mins which would be equivalent to playing 54mins injury time across a 45 min half. It’s almost like she was waiting for an opportunity to award that ridiculous penalty. The time was just about right. There were multiple stoppages in injury time which didn’t even start till 92.20 due time to Helik’s injury. I was watching it on ifollow with the clock in the corner and she gave the pen about 10 seconds before I’d worked out it should be time. I’m absolutely gutted as well cos this has consigned us to L1, but the issue isn’t the time, it’s the award of the penalty itself. Absolutely scandalous decision and it’s appalling she just gets away with it. But it still sums up how stupid and inconsistent time keeping is that they add on everything during stoppage time but not during the actual half. As I said yesterday, Helik goes down like he did on 50 minutes and she would probably add on 1 minute for it. Will we learn from this and not fuck about in injury time next week if winning. Will we bollocks |
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Post by joek on Apr 14, 2024 8:42:56 GMT 1
Just had a lovely long walk round Bristol city centre. Weather perfect, lovely city, all set for a Town walloping! The football has definitely been the worst part of pretty much every away day this season for me. Well if that game and result doesn’t just sum up our season then I don’t know what else does. Should have been out of sight long before the ludicrous award of a 99th minute penalty. Final pass lets us down time and time and time again and when you’re having a season like ours, no kick in the knackers, no matter how underserved, should come as a surprise. I was in hospitality yesterday and the seats for the match are actually in the main stand with no segregation from the ‘normal’ (I.e. me at every other game I’ve ever been to) fans. They were laughing at a) the ridiculousness of the penalty, b) the fact that they had somehow got a point and c) that it was Wells that had done it. Town directors, Edwards and Cartwright were in executive box behind me. Faces like thunder of course. Town bench right in front of me very passive throughout. Doesn’t bother me but will wind some up I’m sure. Town fans great and a strange experience not being amongst them. Everything that could have gone against us since minute 41 of the play off final has gone against us. So much of it self inflicted. What an absolutely shit couple of years to be a Town fan. Thought I was ready for a relegation but now it is on the horizon I’m having second thoughts. That said, please, please, please, please can we just sign some football players that can pass a ball accurately to each other and into space, and look like they have some sort of plan. We don’t have that, and haven’t had it for ages, and it’s making life very hard for everyone. |
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Post by bennyh on Apr 14, 2024 8:52:04 GMT 1
The time was just about right. There were multiple stoppages in injury time which didn’t even start till 92.20 due time to Helik’s injury. I was watching it on ifollow with the clock in the corner and she gave the pen about 10 seconds before I’d worked out it should be time. I’m absolutely gutted as well cos this has consigned us to L1, but the issue isn’t the time, it’s the award of the penalty itself. Absolutely scandalous decision and it’s appalling she just gets away with it. But it still sums up how stupid and inconsistent time keeping is that they add on everything during stoppage time but not during the actual half. As I said yesterday, Helik goes down like he did on 50 minutes and she would probably add on 1 minute for it. Will we learn from this and not fuck about in injury time next week if winning. Will we bollocks Yeah, it’s the inconsistency that gets me. Some refs seem to think that they should continue playing so the team chasing it gets one more chance and others, like we had v Watford, blow it up when you are about to take a corner. |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Apr 14, 2024 10:27:23 GMT 1
JUST bringing myself to actually post on here after that result.
I think most would agree, an away point at Bristol would actually be alright.
Unfortunately, everything else went against us (apart from Stoke drawing with Sheff W and QPR losing)
How different the mood would be here if we held on, and Leeds and Leicester did what we all expected to do.
I feel for the team, and AB on this one, I really do.
I said prior to the game that I think we'll go down and this feels like the wind being taken out of our sails. Still not nailed on yet. The home games provide even more importance now! We're running out of time
Let's all get behind the team for these last few games
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Post by irverino on Apr 14, 2024 11:33:05 GMT 1
Don't always agree with Matt Glennon but I thought he was bang on when he said the sub we needed to make after we went 1-0 up was bringing on Ward for a poor again Burgzorg, changing the defensive setup is the last thing I would be doing so late on when everyone knows their job......A very poor decision from the ref cost us extra points, bringing Turton & Headley on so near the end was questionable (IMO).
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Post by stanton1969 on Apr 15, 2024 8:45:23 GMT 1
We are in the bottom 3. We are very unlikely to get anything at Ipswich. Unless some of the teams around us are playing each other then it is out of our hands and looking very grim. *edit - yes we play Birmingham, but even if we beat them we may well have to beat Ipswich or hope for a favour from Norwich (who most likely will be resting players for the play-offs). By definition if two of the other teams were playing each other, it is out of our hands. Teams around us playing each other would surely mean one or the other would have to drop points? |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Apr 15, 2024 8:46:31 GMT 1
"She should stick to women's football" is a ridiculous argument, as her decisions would have been as flawed there. In the same way shite men's referees would still be shite in the women's game
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Post by space hardware on Apr 15, 2024 9:12:51 GMT 1
That’s what I thought. Last night they definitely had; Wednesday 2/9. Town and Birmingham 13/8. I should have taken a screenshot. The app is down at the moment, probably correcting their mistake. I’d expect the truer odds are similar to Wednesday’s. I saw it too, both Town and Birmingham were 13/8. |
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 15, 2024 9:15:40 GMT 1
"She should stick to women's football" is a ridiculous argument, as her decisions would have been as flawed there. In the same way shite men's referees would still be shite in the women's game Exactly doesn't matter who does what so long as their ability up to the levels needed. Where gender comes in and anything else to be fair is because the narrative that's been pushed is they need to be there, under representation etc. firstly you need to be able to do the job have the right skill set,experience, what ever walk of life the role is in. Unfortunately she has been pushed to a level due to this narrative(not her fault).but her ability and experience and performance does not warrant it and neither can it cope with it. |
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Post by araucaria on Apr 15, 2024 9:52:40 GMT 1
Until the awful penalty decision, the only thing I thought about Welch's officiating was her awarding of soft free-kicks. The one in the centre-circle after Hull kicked off at 1-1 and several for Bristol's divers. Town players wore looks of incredulity at some of them. I recall a first half decision against Hull that angered the Kilner Bank in particular. The majority who booed her thought she'd given Hull a free-kick, but she'd actually stopped the game for a head injury. I wonder how many even realised this when the game didn't re-start with a free-kick.
Having tried to be fair to her, I have to say that any referee who wants to be regarded as top-class should only give a penalty in the 99th minute when they're absolutely certain of it. They should also be prepared to make big decisions from the kick-off, so that wanker who ignored the 9th second push on Toffolo at Luton will never come close to attaining the status of Jack Taylor who correctly gave a penalty in the first minute of a World Cup final (- not the best example, perhaps, because he later gave the other lot a soft one.)
Do refs watch their performances again? If she does, then next time she's welcomed back to Ashton Gate, she might deal better with their Tom Daleys.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 15, 2024 9:56:07 GMT 1
Until the awful penalty decision, the only thing I thought about Welch's officiating was her awarding of soft free-kicks. The one in the centre-circle after Hull kicked off at 1-1 and several for Bristol's divers. Town players wore looks of incredulity at some of them. I recall a first half decision against Hull that angered the Kilner Bank in particular. The majority who booed her thought she'd given Hull a free-kick, but she'd actually stopped the game for a head injury. I wonder how many even realised this when the game didn't re-start with a free-kick. Having tried to be fair to her, I have to say that any referee who wants to be regarded as top-class should only give a penalty in the 99th minute when they're absolutely certain of it. They should also be prepared to make big decisions from the kick-off, so that wanker who ignored the 9th second push on Toffolo at Luton will never come close to attaining the status of Jack Taylor who correctly gave a penalty in the first minute of a World Cup final (- not the best example, perhaps, because he later gave the other lot a soft one.) Do refs watch their performances again? If she does, then next time she's welcomed back to Ashton Gate, she might deal better with their Tom Daleys. The defender slipped and let Thomas in, in their area for a 2 vs. 1 (their keeper). She gave them a free kick - even the Bristol City commentators were laughing and saying "that's never a foul". Fucking useless. |
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Post by 2ellandback on Apr 15, 2024 10:10:28 GMT 1
Until the awful penalty decision, the only thing I thought about Welch's officiating was her awarding of soft free-kicks. The one in the centre-circle after Hull kicked off at 1-1 and several for Bristol's divers. Town players wore looks of incredulity at some of them. I recall a first half decision against Hull that angered the Kilner Bank in particular. The majority who booed her thought she'd given Hull a free-kick, but she'd actually stopped the game for a head injury. I wonder how many even realised this when the game didn't re-start with a free-kick. Having tried to be fair to her, I have to say that any referee who wants to be regarded as top-class should only give a penalty in the 99th minute when they're absolutely certain of it. They should also be prepared to make big decisions from the kick-off, so that wanker who ignored the 9th second push on Toffolo at Luton will never come close to attaining the status of Jack Taylor who correctly gave a penalty in the first minute of a World Cup final (- not the best example, perhaps, because he later gave the other lot a soft one.) Do refs watch their performances again? If she does, then next time she's welcomed back to Ashton Gate, she might deal better with their Tom Daleys. Bristol players came out early for the second half. She was laughing and joking with the centre forward on the half way line, and even put her arm around him. Wish I could find this clip to put on here. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 15, 2024 10:15:23 GMT 1
Until the awful penalty decision, the only thing I thought about Welch's officiating was her awarding of soft free-kicks. The one in the centre-circle after Hull kicked off at 1-1 and several for Bristol's divers. Town players wore looks of incredulity at some of them. I recall a first half decision against Hull that angered the Kilner Bank in particular. The majority who booed her thought she'd given Hull a free-kick, but she'd actually stopped the game for a head injury. I wonder how many even realised this when the game didn't re-start with a free-kick. Having tried to be fair to her, I have to say that any referee who wants to be regarded as top-class should only give a penalty in the 99th minute when they're absolutely certain of it. They should also be prepared to make big decisions from the kick-off, so that wanker who ignored the 9th second push on Toffolo at Luton will never come close to attaining the status of Jack Taylor who correctly gave a penalty in the first minute of a World Cup final (- not the best example, perhaps, because he later gave the other lot a soft one.) Do refs watch their performances again? If she does, then next time she's welcomed back to Ashton Gate, she might deal better with their Tom Daleys. The defender slipped and let Thomas in, in their area for a 2 vs. 1 (their keeper). She gave them a free kick - even the Bristol City commentators were laughing and saying "that's never a foul". Fucking useless. And it was the second time they'd bought a free kick doing a similar type of move. Ie Bristol City player is about to be beaten so dives on the ball throws his arms up in the air and they got away with it twice. Neither were fouls. However that happens every game and Town do it too, Tommy Smith was the expert at this particular skill. There was a moment in the second half where I thought Burgzorg was about to win us a penalty, score was still 0-0. He was sandwiched between two defenders inside the box, all were running towards goal but instead he stopped, turned back and then got tackled or put in a crap pass, can't remember which. Should've kept running, one of them would have challenged him and I think it'd have been a penalty to Town. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 15, 2024 10:21:22 GMT 1
As much as that penalty decision has pissed off me & most on here, we have to put it behind us.
I hope they’re down there in Canalside now, doing just that.
The players have less than a normal working day (for us mere mortals), to salvage their Championship status. We can’t rely on refs giving us the rub of the green any longer, it’s down to them and Mr B and his team.
Let’s hope they’re up for it…
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Post by rocky on Apr 15, 2024 12:05:45 GMT 1
That’s what I thought. Last night they definitely had; Wednesday 2/9. Town and Birmingham 13/8. I should have taken a screenshot. The app is down at the moment, probably correcting their mistake. I’d expect the truer odds are similar to Wednesday’s. I saw it too, both Town and Birmingham were 13/8. They've corrected it now, 8/15! Probably would have been about 6/4 were it not for you know who. We can only hope the odds have lengthened somewhat after Saturday. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 15, 2024 13:55:26 GMT 1
"She should stick to women's football" is a ridiculous argument, as her decisions would have been as flawed there. In the same way shite men's referees would still be shite in the women's game Pace of the game completely different. Also too soft, accepts everything as a free kick |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 15, 2024 15:40:51 GMT 1
Fuuuuuuuck off with the wanting VAR shit. If we had VAR the last two games go differently. Neither were a pen. Not saying I want VAR but we can't have it both ways - every week we bemoan shite refereeing. So either accept that and shut the fuck up about referees, or get VAR. Do you mean VAR run by competent people with integrity, or VAR run as it is in this country? |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Apr 16, 2024 16:34:44 GMT 1
By definition if two of the other teams were playing each other, it is out of our hands. Teams around us playing each other would surely mean one or the other would have to drop points? Yes, but if (for example) we need both to drop points in a draw, then our fate would rest on the outcome of that game being a draw. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 16, 2024 21:49:17 GMT 1
We are in the bottom 3. We are very unlikely to get anything at Ipswich. Unless some of the teams around us are playing each other then it is out of our hands and looking very grim. *edit - yes we play Birmingham, but even if we beat them we may well have to beat Ipswich or hope for a favour from Norwich (who most likely will be resting players for the play-offs). By definition if two of the other teams were playing each other, it is out of our hands. It's still in our hands whether we stay up. Unfortunately every other club in this relegation battle can say the same, and not all of them have to travel to Ipswich on the final day. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 16, 2024 21:53:15 GMT 1
Teams around us playing each other would surely mean one or the other would have to drop points? Yes, but if (for example) we need both to drop points in a draw, then our fate would rest on the outcome of that game being a draw. If we win all our remaining games, Birmingham can't catch us. Massive can catch us but only if they win all theirs by a much larger margin than we win ours. Obvs, Brum, Massive et al dropping points would help enormously. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Apr 17, 2024 7:40:59 GMT 1
Well finally - I’ve found the strength after that utter utter energy sapping Saturday to post once again...
What a body blow that was - All results of Match Day 43 in, admittedly not a great set, but Town incredibly score with eight to go and we leap outta the dreaded zone - What’s not to like then. Ma usual double whisky in the pub but I’m getting ultra close to ma last cut off time for the last bus and ma mate Stewarty has The BBC scores in his mobi and it’s 90+8 and still Town lead, 90+9 and still Town lead, then 90+10 its 1-1 🤮 and cue a good few (undeserved) expletives towards Andre and the players...
So back to ma village like a deflated balloon and a severe drowning of the sorrows and the hangover from hell on Sunday and then on Sunday evening the skullduggery and dark arts of the cheat with the whistle emerges (for me a bit later than most) and I will give ma opinion about Rebecca Walsh in her own thread, probably tomorrow night after today’s adventures are done -
So just now I’m 20 minutes in on the early 7am ferry from The West Island to the mainland which is calm thank fcuk after a bad week of storms, breakdowns and cancellations, and I’m heading for Inverness to - (1) See if I can reunite with an expensive HTAFC presentation jacket that I left there in November when up a party weekend and Clachnacuddin Match. There’s 6 pubs to be checked out for that one ! 👍
And (2) - There is a testimonial match tonight at Grant Street for Martin Callum the long serving Clachnacuddin Captain and he has very magnimoniously donated the whole proceeds to a charity close to his heart called Mikeysline so I’m delighted to support that and also see a game v Elgin City (Kick off is 7.45pm)
Then it’s back to Connel tomorrow for ma sisters 48th birthday celebrations on Friday and to Glasgow on Saturday night for a 50th wedding anniversary party so plenty preparation for Huddersfield v Bristol City next weekend again...
It’s crazy how the football can toy with one’s emotions but after a couple of days in the doldrums, I kinda feel free once again on these high seas on board The creaky Old Hebridean Isles Ferry and even though it’s a week away I feel like it’s the start of ma trip to England’s finest county of Yorkshire and her finest town of Huddersfield ! 😊
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