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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 11:26:34 GMT 1
You mean paying a million quid for a lad who couldn’t get in at mid table Watford and who we could have had for free in the summer had we backed Warnock wasn’t good business? Not true that he was free in summer, the fee was the repayment of his signing on fee at Watford. Maybe we couldn’t afford him because of the deals for Ward ruffels and Koroma because Wanock insisted on having them. Not a great negotiating position. Danny Ward is the best paid player at the club. Thanks Neil. Yet most were happy at the time that we'd re-signed them. As usual, history gets rewritten to suit the agenda. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 14, 2024 11:36:24 GMT 1
Well, at least your optimistic 😂 He isn't wrong though, is he. Yes he is. The squad needs freshening up a little as all squads do every summer. I think we have a good manager. Think the squad confidence is shot and some players aren’t fit enough and Warnock carries some responsibility for that. This squad will be fitter so less injuries, 2 or 3 additions and we will be better next season whichever league we are in. Confidence can be built with a good pre season. We have had some bad luck this season and AB is having to mange player fitness to get through games without injuries to players that can have an impact. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 11:39:22 GMT 1
He isn't wrong though, is he. Yes he is. The squad needs freshening up a little as all squads do every summer. I think we have a good manager. Think the squad confidence is shot and some players aren’t fit enough and Warnock carries some responsibility for that. This squad will be fitter so less injuries, 2 or 3 additions and we will be better next season whichever league we are in. Confidence can be built with a good pre season. We have had some bad luck this season and AB is having to mange player fitness to get through games without injuries to players that can have an impact. The squad is shite. Let the manager do what he wants next season and rebuild as he sees fit. If the likes of Ward, Jackson, Jones, Diarra, Hudlin, Ruffels, Turton, Pearson, Kasumu are still around, we won't be doing anything next season. |
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Post by wigster on Apr 14, 2024 11:48:50 GMT 1
Not true that he was free in summer, the fee was the repayment of his signing on fee at Watford. Maybe we couldn’t afford him because of the deals for Ward ruffels and Koroma because Wanock insisted on having them. Not a great negotiating position. Danny Ward is the best paid player at the club. Thanks Neil. Yet most were happy at the time that we'd re-signed them. As usual, history gets rewritten to suit the agenda. Prepared to look silly here, but is there a poster who was "happy" that we'd re-signed Danny Ward ?. And Ruffles, like Turton, becomes better each week he is injured. Never really rated Koroma - has his moments but never produces anything consistently, either in a match or a season. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 11:50:43 GMT 1
Yet most were happy at the time that we'd re-signed them. As usual, history gets rewritten to suit the agenda. Prepared to look silly here, but is there a poster who was "happy" that we'd re-signed Danny Ward ?. And Ruffles, like Turton, becomes better each week he is injured. Never really rated Koroma - has his moments but never produces anything consistently, either in a match or a season. There weren't many rumblings that's for sure. I'm sure if you look back on the threads on here, plus the reaction to the signings across all social media platforms, the reaction wasn't negative at all. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 14, 2024 12:03:32 GMT 1
Not true that he was free in summer, the fee was the repayment of his signing on fee at Watford. Maybe we couldn’t afford him because of the deals for Ward ruffels and Koroma because Wanock insisted on having them. Not a great negotiating position. Danny Ward is the best paid player at the club. Thanks Neil. Yet most were happy at the time that we'd re-signed them. As usual, history gets rewritten to suit the agenda. Don’t think anybody would have been happy if they knew the financial constraints and wards wage demands were such that we pretty much start the season with the same squad. So you are wrong on that one. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 12:07:58 GMT 1
Yet most were happy at the time that we'd re-signed them. As usual, history gets rewritten to suit the agenda. Don’t think anybody would have been happy if they knew the financial constraints and wards wage demands were such that we pretty much start the season with the same squad. So you are wrong on that one. They were pretty happy at the time. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 14, 2024 12:12:31 GMT 1
Yes he is. The squad needs freshening up a little as all squads do every summer. I think we have a good manager. Think the squad confidence is shot and some players aren’t fit enough and Warnock carries some responsibility for that. This squad will be fitter so less injuries, 2 or 3 additions and we will be better next season whichever league we are in. Confidence can be built with a good pre season. We have had some bad luck this season and AB is having to mange player fitness to get through games without injuries to players that can have an impact. The squad is shite. Let the manager do what he wants next season and rebuild as he sees fit. If the likes of Ward, Jackson, Jones, Diarra, Hudlin, Ruffels, Turton, Pearson, Kasumu are still around, we won't be doing anything next season. Other tha Pearson and kasumu none on that list have been regulars or first teamers this season. Hellik, Spencer,korma, Nicholas,Bakker,wiles, kasumu, Rudoni, Thomas, Headley, lees, Pearson, Maxwell, will all be great in league 1. Kasumu was great there before as was wiles and Rudoni. |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 14, 2024 12:16:46 GMT 1
Don’t think anybody would have been happy if they knew the financial constraints and wards wage demands were such that we pretty much start the season with the same squad. So you are wrong on that one. They were pretty happy at the time. Because they didn’t know the details maybe. Are you really that thick. I don’t know anybody bothered for keeping Ruffels or Koroma and Ward was a surprise that he got 2 years and people I spoke to assumed it was a contract extension not making him the best paid player at the club. Above Rhodes on his expensive Wednesday contract. Not sure happy as as apt a description as not bothered. Again explain that keeping Ward Koroma end ruffles mean we can’t sign anybody else and there would have been some objections for sure. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 14, 2024 12:17:13 GMT 1
A football club, business, person or whatever can only make so many cock ups before they are punished for it.
Let’s be honest since we were promoted to the prem we have made more than our fair share and up until now have gotten away with it. Everyone’s luck runs out eventually and the inevitable happens.
Whilst it hasn’t happened with town just yet it is very much biting at their heals and to be honest it’s all the club deserves. I wouldn’t get away with such poor repeated decisions in my life and employment , as many others on here would not.
Relegation will be bad for the club and I am by no means happy about it but actions (good or bad) have consequences.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 12:22:25 GMT 1
They were pretty happy at the time. Because they didn’t know the details maybe. Are you really that thick. I don’t know anybody bothered for keeping Ruffels or Koroma and Ward was a surprise that he got 2 years and people I spoke to assumed it was a contract extension not making him the best paid player at the club. Above Rhodes on his expensive Wednesday contract. Not sure happy as as apt a description as not bothered. Again explain that keeping Ward Koroma end ruffles mean we can’t sign anybody else and there would have been some objections for sure. The details were pretty obvious, to be honest. They signed new contracts, meaning they stayed at the club. It's all well and good sitting there now and slagging the decision off but I bet you said nowt at the time. Those of us who did were shouted down, as usual, and told to stop being negative. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 12:23:06 GMT 1
The squad is shite. Let the manager do what he wants next season and rebuild as he sees fit. If the likes of Ward, Jackson, Jones, Diarra, Hudlin, Ruffels, Turton, Pearson, Kasumu are still around, we won't be doing anything next season. Other tha Pearson and kasumu none on that list have been regulars or first teamers this season. Hellik, Spencer,korma, Nicholas,Bakker,wiles, kasumu, Rudoni, Thomas, Headley, lees, Pearson, Maxwell, will all be great in league 1. Kasumu was great there before as was wiles and Rudoni. Half of them won't be here and the other half won't be great in League One. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 14, 2024 12:35:50 GMT 1
Other tha Pearson and kasumu none on that list have been regulars or first teamers this season. Hellik, Spencer,korma, Nicholas,Bakker,wiles, kasumu, Rudoni, Thomas, Headley, lees, Pearson, Maxwell, will all be great in league 1. Kasumu was great there before as was wiles and Rudoni. Half of them won't be here and the other half won't be great in League One. Some won’t be here, but to say half ‘won’t be great in League One’ is madness. Wiles, Rudoni, Ruffels, Kasumu, Pearson, Maxwell have all been outstanding performers at that level in the recent past. |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 14, 2024 12:45:31 GMT 1
Half of them won't be here and the other half won't be great in League One. Some won’t be here, but to say half ‘won’t be great in League One’ is madness. Wiles, Rudoni, Ruffels, Kasumu, Pearson, Maxwell have all been outstanding performers at that level in the recent past. Doesn’t say much for our recruitment team / strategy when the best you can say for players they’ve brought in whilst in the Championship will do ok in the Championship. I think referring to them as ‘outstanding performers’ in League 1 is stretching it a bit. |
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Post by dewsburyborn on Apr 14, 2024 13:00:49 GMT 1
every cloud has a silver lining ...it's too long, far too long, since I've tasted those pies on the open end at Orient
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Post by alexdire on Apr 14, 2024 13:12:08 GMT 1
I know a lot on here will be pleased we are back in league one.
Personally I'll be finding something else to do on most Saturday afternoons. It was awful in the 80's and 90's, it was awful in 2000's. It'll be awful this time. Getting progressively worse each season. With the highlight being if we can scrape into round three of the cup.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 14, 2024 13:15:40 GMT 1
I know a lot on here will be pleased we are back in league one. Personally I'll be finding something else to do on most Saturday afternoons. It was awful in the 80's and 90's, it was awful in 2000's. It'll be awful this time. Getting progressively worse each season. With the highlight being if we can scrape into round three of the cup. How fickle. |
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Post by runner76 on Apr 14, 2024 13:16:36 GMT 1
I know a lot on here will be pleased we are back in league one. Personally I'll be finding something else to do on most Saturday afternoons. It was awful in the 80's and 90's, it was awful in 2000's. It'll be awful this time. Getting progressively worse each season. With the highlight being if we can scrape into round three of the cup. Was it awful in 2000’s?….we had some cracking away days and a promotion. I think it was more fun than the dire seasons in recent years….. |
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Post by benhomly on Apr 14, 2024 13:19:12 GMT 1
I know a lot on here will be pleased we are back in league one. Personally I'll be finding something else to do on most Saturday afternoons. It was awful in the 80's and 90's, it was awful in 2000's. It'll be awful this time. Getting progressively worse each season. With the highlight being if we can scrape into round three of the cup. Not a chance. That would mean winning 2 games, something we don't do in 2 cups never mind one. |
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Post by benhomly on Apr 14, 2024 13:21:02 GMT 1
I know a lot on here will be pleased we are back in league one. Personally I'll be finding something else to do on most Saturday afternoons. It was awful in the 80's and 90's, it was awful in 2000's. It'll be awful this time. Getting progressively worse each season. With the highlight being if we can scrape into round three of the cup. Was it awful in 2000’s?….we had some cracking away days and a promotion. I think it was more fun than the dire seasons in recent years….. You're not allowed to say that, it's great fun watching us desperately trying to maintain our Championship status year in year out dontcha know. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 14, 2024 13:23:42 GMT 1
I know a lot on here will be pleased we are back in league one. Personally I'll be finding something else to do on most Saturday afternoons. It was awful in the 80's and 90's, it was awful in 2000's. It'll be awful this time. Getting progressively worse each season. With the highlight being if we can scrape into round three of the cup. Was it awful in 2000’s?….we had some cracking away days and a promotion. I think it was more fun than the dire seasons in recent years….. Yes it was awful. The occasional highlight but most of the time watching dog shit football played by journeymen footballers. |
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Apr 14, 2024 13:29:43 GMT 1
Was it awful in 2000’s?….we had some cracking away days and a promotion. I think it was more fun than the dire seasons in recent years….. Yes it was awful. The occasional highlight but most of the time watching dog shit football played by journeymen footballers. I would obviously prefer us to stay in this league, but I would argue some of the football we played was better than anything we have at this level. Obviously the standard was a lot lower and I'm not saying it will be the same now, but it isn't as bad as you make out. |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 14, 2024 13:34:59 GMT 1
Yes it was awful. The occasional highlight but most of the time watching dog shit football played by journeymen footballers. I would obviously prefer us to stay in this league, but I would argue some of the football we played was better than anything we have at this level. Obviously the standard was a lot lower and I'm not saying it will be the same now, but it isn't as bad as you make out. The 2 seasons when Hoyle was like a kid in a candy shop buying every player who had a good game the previous weekend was entertaining. The seasons after relegation from the Championship watching every decent player leave and be replaced by one worse wasn’t that great. |
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Post by DuffMan on Apr 14, 2024 13:39:34 GMT 1
He isn't wrong though, is he. Yes he is. The squad needs freshening up a little as all squads do every summer. I think we have a good manager. Think the squad confidence is shot and some players aren’t fit enough and Warnock carries some responsibility for that. This squad will be fitter so less injuries, 2 or 3 additions and we will be better next season whichever league we are in. Confidence can be built with a good pre season. We have had some bad luck this season and AB is having to mange player fitness to get through games without injuries to players that can have an impact. That’s one of the worst takes I’ve seen in a long time. The squad we have wouldn’t get promoted from league 1 |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 14, 2024 13:52:46 GMT 1
Nicholls, Helik, Rudoni, Spencer and Sorba would have plenty of interest in the summer. We'd probably get a fee for Healey but we'd take a hit. Koroma and Headley should bring in smaller fees aswell.
Can't see anyone taking a risk on Wiles, he's not managed to get himself fit all season despite being available for most of it. Think Radulovic would stay, unsure on Balker.
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 14, 2024 14:10:09 GMT 1
Nicholls, Helik, Rudoni, Spencer and Sorba would have plenty of interest in the summer. We'd probably get a fee for Healey but we'd take a hit. Koroma and Headley should bring in smaller fees aswell. Can't see anyone taking a risk on Wiles, he's not managed to get himself fit all season despite being available for most of it. Think Radulovic would stay, unsure on Balker. We’ll keep some surprising players. We’re not in a must-sell position, and any fees we get will be substantial. Nicholls I suspect will stay. I think Rudoni might. Healey, Koroma and Headley will too. Wiles will still be here. Balker will too - the Dutch second tier is not dissimilar to League One, and he’s only just joined. Needs to prove himself, as does Radulovic. Spencer would also be best off staying, for regular football. This isn’t 2001. We won’t see the low-price fire-sale of the Vaesens, Luckettis and so on. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 14, 2024 14:18:02 GMT 1
The shortcomings that have produced relentless misery this season are not going to disappear just because we have dropped a division. Very few of the players are out of contract. According to Town tradition, any additions will be journeymen, injury-prone, or young loan players conditioned by U21 football where mistakes aren't crucial and results are meaningless. We have five full-backs. Only Spencer looks to have any quality that would stand out in League 1. Turton, Jackson and Headley will slot right in to League 1. Ditto Ruffels if we continue to offer sympathy contracts. Central defence - Pearson will still find touch with his passing. Balker won't play 20 games. Helik will go. Midfield - Wiles will still be two paced (i.e, very slow and stopped), Kasumu will still be incapable of anything other than tackling. Rudoni (if he stays) will still manage one shot per match and scuff 90% of them. Forwards - Thomas will still threaten but rarely punish opponents and probably sulk until he gets his move to Birmingham/Millwall etc. Koroma, Healey and Radulovic will frighten nobody. The player who used to be Pat Jones will alternate between bench and the treatment table, where he will invariably find Ward's towel. If by some miracle we stay up, all the above still applies. Everything in that is absolutely spot on apart from Thomas will get a move back to the Championship imo. We’re stuck with the majority of this squad, and it isn’t one that will frighten any of the better sides in League 1. Many of our squad will probably still be playing at a level above where they should be. I don't know enough of Div 3 to know who the good teams are but presumably, they will be promoted. What I do know is last year's Div 3 Champions have struggled in the Championship, as have the Wendies, who accumulated over 90pts last season. Ipswich have been excellent though, obviously. Quality wise, I think the bottom 8 or 9 in this year's Championship have been really poor & have been pretty much on a par but they include Plymouth & Wendies who walked Div 3. I expect we will lose Helik, Nakayama, Rudoni, Burgzorg, Thomas & maybe Balker but we need a big clear out to rid of us of the losing mentality of our squad. We will get far more decisions in Div 3 than we have here, we are bound to get several home penalties & none of the opposition are going to be anything like the calibre of Leicester, Leeds & Southampton. The main difference, if we do go down, will be that I'm sure KN will support as, as much as he can, to get back quickly. This, clearly, does not mean I expect us to walk our way to the title, however, I do feel I'd be disappointed if we weren't challenging, as a few wins would restore players' confidence quickly. That being said, I am not willing to accept we will be going down just yet, the players were very good yesterday & were clearly robbed, we deserved, & should have had, 3 pts. |
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Apr 14, 2024 14:24:55 GMT 1
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Turton Lees Balker Spencer
(New winger) Wiles Rudoni Koroma
Radulovic Healey
Subs: Ward, Pearson, Ruffles, Maxwell, Jones
Assuming all the above are with us, I don't think this is a terrible core of players in League One.
Perhaps Nicholls and Rudoni might get some interest, but I don't see us being desperate to sell like under Hoyle.
Add in some decent wingers, like when we had Roberts and Pilks, and I think Radulovic and Healey could thrive.
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Post by harris on Apr 14, 2024 14:31:45 GMT 1
Nicholls Turton Lees Balker Spencer (New winger) Wiles Rudoni Koroma Radulovic Healey Subs: Ward, Pearson, Ruffles, Maxwell, Jones Assuming all the above are with us, I don't think this is a terrible core of players in League One. Perhaps Nicholls and Rudoni might get some interest, but I don't see us being desperate to sell like under Hoyle. Add in some decent wingers, like when we had Roberts and Pilks, and I think Radulovic and Healey could thrive. As much as I like Turton, you have to play Spencer in his position. He HAS to be first choice right back, maybe Turton could play RCB. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 14, 2024 14:53:23 GMT 1
Nicholls Turton Lees Balker Spencer (New winger) Wiles Rudoni Koroma Radulovic Healey Subs: Ward, Pearson, Ruffles, Maxwell, Jones Assuming all the above are with us, I don't think this is a terrible core of players in League One. Perhaps Nicholls and Rudoni might get some interest, but I don't see us being desperate to sell like under Hoyle. Add in some decent wingers, like when we had Roberts and Pilks, and I think Radulovic and Healey could thrive. As much as I like Turton, you have to play Spencer in his position. He HAS to be first choice right back, maybe Turton could play RCB. or left back as a proper left back so to speak. In terms of just defending to keep one side of the pitch water tight ? |
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