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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 14, 2024 14:56:42 GMT 1
Nicholls, Helik, Rudoni, Spencer and Sorba would have plenty of interest in the summer. We'd probably get a fee for Healey but we'd take a hit. Koroma and Headley should bring in smaller fees aswell. Can't see anyone taking a risk on Wiles, he's not managed to get himself fit all season despite being available for most of it. Think Radulovic would stay, unsure on Balker. We’ll keep some surprising players. We’re not in a must-sell position, and any fees we get will be substantial. Nicholls I suspect will stay. I think Rudoni might. Healey, Koroma and Headley will too. Wiles will still be here. Balker will too - the Dutch second tier is not dissimilar to League One, and he’s only just joined. Needs to prove himself, as does Radulovic. Spencer would also be best off staying, for regular football. This isn’t 2001. We won’t see the low-price fire-sale of the Vaesens, Luckettis and so on. I think Sorba will want out. Rudoni will attract interest but unsure if he'll go. Beyond that, I agree. Teams don't really have fire sales when they get relegated anymore, and the league is a lot stronger than last time we were there, meaning it's also harder to get out of. |
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Post by harris on Apr 14, 2024 14:57:29 GMT 1
As much as I like Turton, you have to play Spencer in his position. He HAS to be first choice right back, maybe Turton could play RCB. or left back as a proper left back so to speak. In terms of just defending to keep one side of the pitch water tight ? Sorry, not sure what you’re asking… But to clarify, Spencer is our hottest prospect and for him to develop properly, he needs to be starting in his actual position. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 14, 2024 15:00:00 GMT 1
No idea why people think Balker will be going anywhere. He’s 4 months into a 3.5 year deal and has played about 5 championship games. He’s looked good but who’s buying him with that record!
Helik, Sorba and Rudoni are the obvious ones plus Spencer if someone fancies the punt, although a season in L1 would do him no harm at all. After that it will be difficult shift any of them.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 14, 2024 15:01:23 GMT 1
or left back as a proper left back so to speak. In terms of just defending to keep one side of the pitch water tight ? Sorry, not sure what you’re asking… But to clarify, Spencer is our hottest prospect and for him to develop properly, he needs to be starting in his actual position. I meant Turton at left back, spencer at right back next season. Turton could be the defensive full back, to lock down a side of the pitch , to allow spencer and his winger to do the attacking / well more of it. |
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Post by harris on Apr 14, 2024 15:04:05 GMT 1
Sorry, not sure what you’re asking… But to clarify, Spencer is our hottest prospect and for him to develop properly, he needs to be starting in his actual position. I meant Turton at left back, spencer at right back next season. Turton could be the defensive full back, to lock down a side of the pitch , to allow spencer and his winger to do the attacking / well more of it. Ah got you - I would be against it. I like Ruffels a lot so hopefully he can get back to fitness too. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 14, 2024 15:06:27 GMT 1
I meant Turton at left back, spencer at right back next season. Turton could be the defensive full back, to lock down a side of the pitch , to allow spencer and his winger to do the attacking / well more of it. Ah got you - I would be against it. I like Ruffels a lot so hopefully he can get back to fitness too. well ruffles in league 1, should be the best left back in the league bar non. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:12:58 GMT 1
Half of them won't be here and the other half won't be great in League One. Some won’t be here, but to say half ‘won’t be great in League One’ is madness. Wiles, Rudoni, Ruffels, Kasumu, Pearson, Maxwell have all been outstanding performers at that level in the recent past. This team is anything but outstanding. Rudoni is the only one in that list with any quality whatsoever. |
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Post by harris on Apr 14, 2024 15:13:02 GMT 1
Ah got you - I would be against it. I like Ruffels a lot so hopefully he can get back to fitness too. well ruffles in league 1, should be the best left back in the league bar non. Agree, players like that who have been in league one before, mixed with fresh youngsters and some of our Jan signings, should make for a good squad. Hopefully we can shift our mindset in the summer to a winning one too. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 14, 2024 15:15:20 GMT 1
We’ll keep some surprising players. We’re not in a must-sell position, and any fees we get will be substantial. Nicholls I suspect will stay. I think Rudoni might. Healey, Koroma and Headley will too. Wiles will still be here. Balker will too - the Dutch second tier is not dissimilar to League One, and he’s only just joined. Needs to prove himself, as does Radulovic. Spencer would also be best off staying, for regular football. This isn’t 2001. We won’t see the low-price fire-sale of the Vaesens, Luckettis and so on. I think Sorba will want out. Rudoni will attract interest but unsure if he'll go. Beyond that, I agree. Teams don't really have fire sales when they get relegated anymore, and the league is a lot stronger than last time we were there, meaning it's also harder to get out of. The division we were promoted out of was stronger by far than the current iteration of League One. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 14, 2024 15:16:12 GMT 1
well ruffles in league 1, should be the best left back in the league bar non. Agree, players like that who have been in league one before, mixed with fresh youngsters and some of our Jan signings, should make for a good squad. Hopefully we can shift our mindset in the summer to a winning one too. shifting the mentailit y for me is the big challenge, the mentaility has being wrong at the club for a good while now. We seem to lose far too easily. Also the "we should win, or we feel like we should be winning games" kind of mentaility seems to have gone . The complete collapses says as much this season inparticular. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 14, 2024 15:31:47 GMT 1
Half of them won't be here and the other half won't be great in League One. Some won’t be here, but to say half ‘won’t be great in League One’ is madness. Wiles, Rudoni, Ruffels, Kasumu, Pearson, Maxwell have all been outstanding performers at that level in the recent past. Really hope the club do not think the way you are. Some of those you’ve mentioned are terrible, we need to get rid of those who can’t pass a football and bring in actual technical quality or we will struggle yet again. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:31:48 GMT 1
Nicholls Turton Lees Balker Spencer (New winger) Wiles Rudoni Koroma Radulovic Healey Subs: Ward, Pearson, Ruffles, Maxwell, Jones Assuming all the above are with us, I don't think this is a terrible core of players in League One. Perhaps Nicholls and Rudoni might get some interest, but I don't see us being desperate to sell like under Hoyle. Add in some decent wingers, like when we had Roberts and Pilks, and I think Radulovic and Healey could thrive. As much as I like Turton, you have to play Spencer in his position. He HAS to be first choice right back, maybe Turton could play RCB. Or, we just sign a centre back to play at centre back. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:32:55 GMT 1
Some won’t be here, but to say half ‘won’t be great in League One’ is madness. Wiles, Rudoni, Ruffels, Kasumu, Pearson, Maxwell have all been outstanding performers at that level in the recent past. Really hope the club do not think the way you are. Some of those you’ve mentioned are terrible, we need to get rid of those who can’t pass a football and bring in actual technical quality or we will struggle yet again. Some fans will just never accept that the players aren't good enough. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 14, 2024 15:36:02 GMT 1
dear me are you the grim reaper?!! No but can you honestly see us staying up this season. And regarding league one the last time we was there it took us 10 seasons to get out of it. It is a terrible league to get out of!!! We are in a much better place now. We had got there promoted from Div 3. 12 months prior had 6 first team players and no manager. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 14, 2024 15:39:30 GMT 1
And that the January transfer window was one of the best ever. You mean paying a million quid for a lad who couldn’t get in at mid table Watford and who we could have had for free in the summer had we backed Warnock wasn’t good business? Backed Warnock.... here we go. Nobody wanted to come and play for him. No clubs wanted their youngsters coming to him. Realise that. Miracle worker, 100%. A Saint? Absolutely not. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:43:02 GMT 1
You mean paying a million quid for a lad who couldn’t get in at mid table Watford and who we could have had for free in the summer had we backed Warnock wasn’t good business? Backed Warnock.... here we go. Nobody wanted to come and play for him. No clubs wanted their youngsters coming to him. Realise that. Miracle worker, 100%. A Saint? Absolutely not. Some WOULD play for him, but we wouldn't pay the wages. For example, he wanted to bring in Junior Hoilett, but we couldn't afford him. He was also looking to bring in Matt Crooks. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:43:29 GMT 1
No but can you honestly see us staying up this season. And regarding league one the last time we was there it took us 10 seasons to get out of it. It is a terrible league to get out of!!! We are in a much better place now. We had got there promoted from Div 3. 12 months prior had 6 first team players and no manager. Eight players  |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 14, 2024 15:44:53 GMT 1
Really hope the club do not think the way you are. Some of those you’ve mentioned are terrible, we need to get rid of those who can’t pass a football and bring in actual technical quality or we will struggle yet again. Some fans will just never accept that the players aren't good enough. For the Championship. The last time each of the players listed played in the third tier, they were among the best players in that division. Team of the year, goal scorers, assisters. We talk about the need for proven League One players: we have them by the bucketload. We do not have proven Championship players. We need a shift in mentality, but the core we have would be competing at the top end of League One immediately because that is the quality we have. Scrapping Championship, top end League One. Some people think that we just need to click fingers and we’ll get a whole new squad. Well that isn’t going to happen. We have to work with what we have to a point while also trying to bring in better. And looking at what we have to a point. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 15:47:18 GMT 1
Some fans will just never accept that the players aren't good enough. For the Championship. The last time each of the players listed played in the third tier, they were among the best players in that division. Team of the year, goal scorers, assisters. We talk about the need for proven League One players: we have them by the bucketload. We do not have proven Championship players. We need a shift in mentality, but the core we have would be competing at the top end of League One immediately because that is the quality we have. Scrapping Championship, top end League One. Some people think that we just need to click fingers and we’ll get a whole new squad. Well that isn’t going to happen. We have to work with what we have to a point while also trying to bring in better. And looking at what we have to a point. Some people think that if we go down, this bunch of losers are automatically going to start winning games and become good players. It was exactly the same last time we got relegated. That team was going to tear the Championship apart, and we know what happened there. Until we rid ourselves of the losing mentality, and the players that have contributed to that, we're not going to do anything. Some of these players are terrible, and it doesn't matter what division they'll be playing in. |
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Post by Larry David on Apr 14, 2024 15:50:51 GMT 1
Needs to be a big clearing out of the playing staff and some investment in players too.
Too many losers and soft underbellies for me
I hated league one but we have also been to league 2 in recent years and that was a bloody brilliant season.
If we go down and get it right it could be what we need.
I do like Nagle. Think he will learn a lot from this season
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Post by boooothy on Apr 14, 2024 16:01:18 GMT 1
For the Championship. The last time each of the players listed played in the third tier, they were among the best players in that division. Team of the year, goal scorers, assisters. We talk about the need for proven League One players: we have them by the bucketload. We do not have proven Championship players. We need a shift in mentality, but the core we have would be competing at the top end of League One immediately because that is the quality we have. Scrapping Championship, top end League One. Some people think that we just need to click fingers and we’ll get a whole new squad. Well that isn’t going to happen. We have to work with what we have to a point while also trying to bring in better. And looking at what we have to a point. Some people think that if we go down, this bunch of losers are automatically going to start winning games and become good players. It was exactly the same last time we got relegated. That team was going to tear the Championship apart, and we know what happened there. Until we rid ourselves of the losing mentality, and the players that have contributed to that, we're not going to do anything. Some of these players are terrible, and it doesn't matter what division they'll be playing in. Think you are underestimating exactly how shit that division is. If we kept all the same players (we won’t) we’d get 100 points. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 14, 2024 16:01:28 GMT 1
Backed Warnock.... here we go. Nobody wanted to come and play for him. No clubs wanted their youngsters coming to him. Realise that. Miracle worker, 100%. A Saint? Absolutely not. Some WOULD play for him, but we wouldn't pay the wages. For example, he wanted to bring in Junior Hoilett, but we couldn't afford him. He was also looking to bring in Matt Crooks. Glad we didn't bring in either, especially Hoilett. Crooks might have been okay, but not much better than what we already have. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 14, 2024 16:03:34 GMT 1
We are in a much better place now. We had got there promoted from Div 3. 12 months prior had 6 first team players and no manager. Eight players We're the added 2 Lee Martin and Martyn Booty ? Haha! Still, if we do go down, we are in a better position than when we went up from Div 3. Some of my most exciting times were in League 1. Nobody doesn't want their club to be as high up as possible, but if it means entertainment and actual excitement, it wouldn't disappoint me too much. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 16:07:18 GMT 1
Some people think that if we go down, this bunch of losers are automatically going to start winning games and become good players. It was exactly the same last time we got relegated. That team was going to tear the Championship apart, and we know what happened there. Until we rid ourselves of the losing mentality, and the players that have contributed to that, we're not going to do anything. Some of these players are terrible, and it doesn't matter what division they'll be playing in. Think you are underestimating exactly how shit that division is. If we kept all the same players (we won’t) we’d get 100 points. I think you're absolutely puddled. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 14, 2024 16:10:35 GMT 1
Some people think that if we go down, this bunch of losers are automatically going to start winning games and become good players. It was exactly the same last time we got relegated. That team was going to tear the Championship apart, and we know what happened there. Until we rid ourselves of the losing mentality, and the players that have contributed to that, we're not going to do anything. Some of these players are terrible, and it doesn't matter what division they'll be playing in. Think you are underestimating exactly how shit that division is. If we kept all the same players (we won’t) we’d get 100 points. We wouldn’t be that good. We’d be top 6. We need new blood to push us to championship-winning quality, and I actually agree with the points on mentality raised. But some people have played far too much Football Manager. Much of our current squad will be with us in August whether we like it or not. Harness what we have, which is not inconsiderable in the division below, add quality in midfield in particular, in all of 6, 8, and 10 roles, add leadership, and we would be a formidable outfit. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 16:11:52 GMT 1
Eight players We're the added 2 Lee Martin and Martyn Booty ? Haha! Still, if we do go down, we are in a better position than when we went up from Div 3. Some of my most exciting times were in League 1. Nobody doesn't want their club to be as high up as possible, but if it means entertainment and actual excitement, it wouldn't disappoint me too much. Ha! In those days, whenever we lost, Jacko would always trot out the "when I arrived, we only had eight players" but in later years he's changed it to six! Some of my best times were in League Two and One, but so were some of my worst. However, we had some decent players for that level, including some that had stepped down and a lot of decent youngsters who all had the benefit of playing together from a young age. Plus they were local. We don't have any of that now. When we came down in 2003, we didn't keep the bunch of losers that had taken us down, Jacko had to put a new team together. In the event of us going down, Breitenreiter or whoever is the manager, should be allowed to do the same. People talk about Corberan not being backed, yet are seemingly happy about Breitenreiter not being backed (basically saying this team is fine in League One, which is absolute rubbish by the way). |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 16:13:06 GMT 1
Think you are underestimating exactly how shit that division is. If we kept all the same players (we won’t) we’d get 100 points. We wouldn’t be that good. We’d be top 6. We need new blood to push us to championship-winning quality, and I actually agree with the points on mentality raised. But some people have played far too much Football Manager. Much of our current squad will be with us in August whether we like it or not. Harness what we have, which is not inconsiderable in the division below, add quality in midfield in particular, in all of 6, 8, and 10 roles, add leadership, and we would be a formidable outfit. That formidable outfit would tear League One apart. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 14, 2024 16:25:23 GMT 1
Think a lot of people are a bit too over confident on here. Ask Sunderland fans, or Sheffield united fans or Portsmouth fans how easy it was to come straight back up.
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Post by Sio on Apr 14, 2024 16:25:24 GMT 1
We’ll keep some surprising players. We’re not in a must-sell position, and any fees we get will be substantial. Nicholls I suspect will stay. I think Rudoni might. Healey, Koroma and Headley will too. Wiles will still be here. Balker will too - the Dutch second tier is not dissimilar to League One, and he’s only just joined. Needs to prove himself, as does Radulovic. Spencer would also be best off staying, for regular football. This isn’t 2001. We won’t see the low-price fire-sale of the Vaesens, Luckettis and so on. I think Sorba will want out. Rudoni will attract interest but unsure if he'll go. Beyond that, I agree. Teams don't really have fire sales when they get relegated anymore, and the league is a lot stronger than last time we were there, meaning it's also harder to get out of. It's not even close to being as strong. Look at some of the teams knocking around that division especially during the Hoyle years. The standard of football across the entire pyramid has probably relatively improved but the competition in that division in terms of club size and player names is significantly weaker. We'll have to spend money because our current squad is shot and should be cleared out - but we should certainly be able to compete if things are managed correctly (whether this can happen is my biggest concern). |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 14, 2024 16:31:37 GMT 1
Think a lot of people are a bit too over confident on here. Ask Sunderland fans, or Sheffield united fans or Portsmouth fans how easy it was to come straight back up. Ipswich as well. I'd even take a couple of years of kicking around in League One, and getting things right, if it meant we returned like Ipswich have done. I.e. ready to return to the Championship. They actually spent a bit of money and signed Championship players. Wrexham follow a similar strategy, by signing League One players this season in readiness for their eventual promotion. We haven't had a plan for years beyond signing ex players or knackered players. We need to get a strategy, and a plan, and follow it through. We now have a manager with some pedigree, make sure he stays, and then back him to the hilt. You can't expect him to do anything with the likes of Ben Jackson, Ben Wiles, David Kasumu, Danny Ward, Josh Koroma and all the rest. Clear the decks and give him what he needs. If we go down and get promoted in the next couple of years, we'll enjoy it far more than we've enjoyed anything in years. |
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