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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 25, 2024 19:32:49 GMT 1
They already had much bigger revenue streams, mostly from earning everything that goes through St Andrews, they’ve increased those streams through having a big sports name like Brady involved, much as we think Brady’s a dick he’s adored in the US Which is something KN is in the process of gaining for us, it wouldn’t surprise me if KN’s tried to get Sir Patrick involved more to cash in HIS celebrity but Professor X has always said he’s not really interested in that side of things unfortunately 😢 Those years of “fire-fighting “ coming back to haunt us then. Maybe I’m wrong about him ? Sadly I don’t think I am. Well I think you are. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 25, 2024 19:33:55 GMT 1
Those years of “fire-fighting “ coming back to haunt us then. Maybe I’m wrong about him ? Sadly I don’t think I am. Well I think you are. First class debating. Your knowledge and argument are inspiring. |
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 25, 2024 19:34:28 GMT 1
How many times I need to say this is extraordinary: the Rudoni money was swallowed up by the loss in revenue from relegation** and didn’t even cover that, minimum £7m just in TV revenue, the money to keep on every member of staff (practically unheard of from previously relegated clubs, bloody hell Manure laid off over 100 staff because they lost revenue this season), money for the transfers we’ve paid out, money in loan fees, the Rudoni money AND the Sorba fee didn’t cover it and that’s before you get to the normal annual outgoings which is a further MINIMUM £5m per year ** yes KN takes some of the blame for relegation but I’d still lay most of the blame at Cartwright’s door being his advisor And the biggest reason we can’t compete with Brum AND stay within FFP is their revenue streams dwarf ours because of years of commercial mismanagement from other owners Birmingham lost their tv money also. They have “created” their revenue streams. We have not. We signed ladapo. You can't honestly think Birmingham have "created revenue streams" and spent £35m on players in League One? They've just had money pumped in. Yes commercial partnerships set up, but not to this extent. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 25, 2024 19:34:42 GMT 1
They already had much bigger revenue streams, mostly from earning everything that goes through St Andrews, they’ve increased those streams through having a big sports name like Brady involved, much as we think Brady’s a dick he’s adored in the US Which is something KN is in the process of gaining for us, it wouldn’t surprise me if KN’s tried to get Sir Patrick involved more to cash in HIS celebrity but Professor X has always said he’s not really interested in that side of things unfortunately 😢 Those years of “fire-fighting “ coming back to haunt us then. Maybe I’m wrong about him ? Sadly I don’t think I am. I think our main problem with revenue streams is the fact DH and then PH pretty much ignored them I’m sure I read from one of the current guys that our revenue streams were on a par with a conference club, partly because of not owning the ground and partly because the commercial department had been neglected I hope you’re wrong about KN too, obviously 😂 |
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Post by mosher on Oct 25, 2024 19:36:29 GMT 1
Bloody hell, absolute yawnville. Are you craving attention? Are you a record stuck on repeat? Are you aware we have never had a player called Rudhoni? Do you read the numerous and countless replies and answers to you regarding your questions that get answered? How you have coped being a town fan for so long is beyond me. Well I’m just sharing posts with mosher. I thought this was a forum where fans could debate  ! Am I wrong ? Why the attack ? And I’m enjoying it too with the no ranting and raving, no name calling, all rather pleasant, are you not the same on Twatter? 😂 |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 25, 2024 19:43:17 GMT 1
Birmingham lost their tv money also. They have “created” their revenue streams. We have not. We signed ladapo. You can't honestly think Birmingham have "created revenue streams" and spent £35m on players in League One? They've just had money pumped in. Yes commercial partnerships set up, but not to this extent. From what I have been told, May £22K pw, 3 year contract, six figure signing on fee. Stansfield total transfer cost including agents fees in excess of £15million, 7year contract , £30 k per week. One of the benefits Brum had were they had a vast majority of their squad out on contract therefore were able to start from an almost nil legacy squad . Their issues with ffp will start next season when their anticipated loss for 24/25will be in excess of £50 million will add onto their losses for 22/23 and 23/24. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 25, 2024 19:45:24 GMT 1
First class debating. Your knowledge and argument are inspiring. Regrettably neither are yours. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 25, 2024 19:52:44 GMT 1
Those years of “fire-fighting “ coming back to haunt us then. Maybe I’m wrong about him ? Sadly I don’t think I am. I think our main problem with revenue streams is the fact DH and then PH pretty much ignored them I’m sure I read from one of the current guys that our revenue streams were on a par with a conference club, partly because of not owning the ground and partly because the commercial department had been neglected I hope you’re wrong about KN too, obviously 😂 How nice to debate , maybe agree or disagree , without being attacked. Top man is mosher. |
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Post by detox on Oct 25, 2024 19:57:46 GMT 1
Fake music to gee up atmosphere or create something leaves me cold . Moaning about quiet fans who have had a horrendous service provided by the club for many seasons is just bloody insulting. Why are these decision makers so totally clueless and out of touch. The club owes it's supporters Big time,and needs to concentrate on making amends and earning respect first of all. The basis of your point is correct but I don't think those in charge deserve as an aggressive response (but I do get the frustration). I do agree that those in charge do need to think about things in the round. It isn't actually that difficult to understand. We are desperate for something to believe in but most are yet to be convinced. Mr Nagle and team shouldn't be downhearted at that but they could be a little more empathetic to the mood. If things continue to pick up fans will support the club. At the moment that confidence (in the club) is very fragile. I get that, but big new American multi millionaire owners first season in charge we got relegated! Moore..Breitenreiter? . Still no striker Excuse me if I'm not yet convinced so having a pop at fans like me ...? Really! |
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Post by mosher on Oct 25, 2024 20:04:50 GMT 1
I think our main problem with revenue streams is the fact DH and then PH pretty much ignored them I’m sure I read from one of the current guys that our revenue streams were on a par with a conference club, partly because of not owning the ground and partly because the commercial department had been neglected I hope you’re wrong about KN too, obviously 😂 How nice to debate , maybe agree or disagree , without being attacked. Top man is mosher. Aaaaw shucks [embarrassed emoji] 😂 |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 25, 2024 20:38:09 GMT 1
Apparently, according to another thread, Duncan has issues that he is dealing with. However, that is no excuse for him spouting absolute shite! Is it though ? Ask yourself why are so many American companies investing in the uk. In an early DM conversation I had with him I mentioned the words “uk recession “. His reply was instant - no that’s not right, that’s not what my advisors are saying, how do you know this? - what’s all that about then ? There is a reason for him being here and it isn’t the same as Dean. Dean was a fan. A passionate fan that had struck gold and wanted to bring success to his team. Nagle isn’t. If I bought a company (club) I would immediately become a massive fan! Far more so than any regular customer (supporter) who was an advocate of the product (team). It's hugely disrespectful to claim that for successful people that have money, that it's all about the money. There is a huge difference between those who understand money and are good at business, investing their own self generated proceeds of success, who long term are philanthropists (not saying NG is, but many across history) and those who are directors of private equity groups, never investing their own money, but paying themselves multi millions from businesses they take over for the sole purpose of asset stripping for their short term financial gain only (many exist). It would be a mistake to view, without evidence, any owner of Town as being close to the second, unless you are seeing a frequency of instances of the first, but you come across as if you do. |
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 25, 2024 20:43:34 GMT 1
You can't honestly think Birmingham have "created revenue streams" and spent £35m on players in League One? They've just had money pumped in. Yes commercial partnerships set up, but not to this extent. From what I have been told, May £22K pw, 3 year contract, six figure signing on fee. Stansfield total transfer cost including agents fees in excess of £15million, 7year contract , £30 k per week. One of the benefits Brum had were they had a vast majority of their squad out on contract therefore were able to start from an almost nil legacy squad . Their issues with ffp will start next season when their anticipated loss for 24/25will be in excess of £50 million will add onto their losses for 22/23 and 23/24. Depends how many brown envelopes get passed around their major sponsors, ie Delta Airlines etc.. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 25, 2024 20:48:56 GMT 1
The basis of your point is correct but I don't think those in charge deserve as an aggressive response (but I do get the frustration). I do agree that those in charge do need to think about things in the round. It isn't actually that difficult to understand. We are desperate for something to believe in but most are yet to be convinced. Mr Nagle and team shouldn't be downhearted at that but they could be a little more empathetic to the mood. If things continue to pick up fans will support the club. At the moment that confidence (in the club) is very fragile. I get that, but big new American multi millionaire owners first season in charge we got relegated! Moore..Breitenreiter? . Still no striker Excuse me if I'm not yet convinced so having a pop at fans like me ...? Really! not a multi millionaire mate a multio billionaire . |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Oct 25, 2024 21:27:19 GMT 1
I think there is a fair bit of naivety on here with regards to Nagle.
Some fans seem to wholeheartedly buy the he is now a terrier through and through/bought the club out of his passion for the game etc without stopping for a moment and looking at the reality.
A very succesfull/wealthy businesses man comes out of the blue to save us having never heard of the club or the town. Upon arriving he is adamant on buying the ground, building the brand etc.
Now I’m not saying Nagle is a bad guy, I think he’s quite the opposite and now he is involved he is behind us as a club to do well. Having said that if anybody on here thinks there was no money/business motivation behind his buying of the club and he wants us to do well as nothing more than a fan, then I’m afraid you live in cuckoo land.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 25, 2024 21:52:48 GMT 1
Bloody hell, absolute yawnville. Are you craving attention? Are you a record stuck on repeat? Are you aware we have never had a player called Rudhoni? Do you read the numerous and countless replies and answers to you regarding your questions that get answered? How you have coped being a town fan for so long is beyond me. Well I’m just sharing posts with mosher. I thought this was a forum where fans could debate ! Am I wrong ? Why the attack ? Why the attack on our chairman? |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 25, 2024 22:02:01 GMT 1
I think there is a fair bit of naivety on here with regards to Nagle. Some fans seem to wholeheartedly buy the he is now a terrier through and through/bought the club out of his passion for the game etc without stopping for a moment and looking at the reality. A very succesfull/wealthy businesses man comes out of the blue to save us having never heard of the club or the town. Upon arriving he is adamant on buying the ground, building the brand etc. Now I’m not saying Nagle is a bad guy, I think he’s quite the opposite and now he is involved he is behind us as a club to do well. Having said that if anybody on here thinks there was no money/business motivation behind his buying of the club and he wants us to do well as nothing more than a fan, then I’m afraid you live in cuckoo land. I agree with a lot of this. I really like KN and I believe he will do what's best for the club. But, there must be some financial gain long term for him to take us on. Every businessman has a motive. He hasn't become a billionaire by not making a profit. I think the situation is good for both club and Kev. Long term the club will be secure. |
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 25, 2024 22:11:54 GMT 1
I think there is a fair bit of naivety on here with regards to Nagle. Some fans seem to wholeheartedly buy the he is now a terrier through and through/bought the club out of his passion for the game etc without stopping for a moment and looking at the reality. A very succesfull/wealthy businesses man comes out of the blue to save us having never heard of the club or the town. Upon arriving he is adamant on buying the ground, building the brand etc. Now I’m not saying Nagle is a bad guy, I think he’s quite the opposite and now he is involved he is behind us as a club to do well. Having said that if anybody on here thinks there was no money/business motivation behind his buying of the club and he wants us to do well as nothing more than a fan, then I’m afraid you live in cuckoo land. If he does right by the club then I think what he's actually in it for is irrelevant. We all know it wasn't an attractive proposition before he acquired it, so the best we can hope is he takes us forward. I think off the pitch he is doing more than we could have hoped so far. |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 25, 2024 22:12:03 GMT 1
Apparently, according to another thread, Duncan has issues that he is dealing with. However, that is no excuse for him spouting absolute shite! Is it though ? Ask yourself why are so many American companies investing in the uk. In an early DM conversation I had with him I mentioned the words “uk recession “. His reply was instant - no that’s not right, that’s not what my advisors are saying, how do you know this? - what’s all that about then ? There is a reason for him being here and it isn’t the same as Dean. Dean was a fan. A passionate fan that had struck gold and wanted to bring success to his team. Nagle isn’t. Dunc - you really do need to take a long hard look at the facts fella. DH did a huge amount of good here and took the club fed beyond many wildest dreams - but at the end of the day, we are barely any better off than when he walked thru the door. I really don't know what KNs plans are - nor do all but a select few, and I ain't impressed with many of the footy decisions made thus far - however, he stepped up when we were deep in the shit and as such deserves some patience and time from the fan base - it can't be much worse than it was in recent yrs when we barely won 1 in 4 or 5. Stop the kneejerk guff and let's see how the next 12m pan out eh? |
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Post by detox on Oct 25, 2024 22:39:21 GMT 1
I think there is a fair bit of naivety on here with regards to Nagle. Some fans seem to wholeheartedly buy the he is now a terrier through and through/bought the club out of his passion for the game etc without stopping for a moment and looking at the reality. A very succesfull/wealthy businesses man comes out of the blue to save us having never heard of the club or the town. Upon arriving he is adamant on buying the ground, building the brand etc. Now I’m not saying Nagle is a bad guy, I think he’s quite the opposite and now he is involved he is behind us as a club to do well. Having said that if anybody on here thinks there was no money/business motivation behind his buying of the club and he wants us to do well as nothing more than a fan, then I’m afraid you live in cuckoo land. Think everyone does realise he sees a buck here somewhere. He's probably right too, there's great potential in many areas. We do realise this isn't simply philanthropy,it's business. There are degrees though, the main one being how long he's invested for ,and what then ? |
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 25, 2024 22:48:07 GMT 1
I think there is a fair bit of naivety on here with regards to Nagle. Some fans seem to wholeheartedly buy the he is now a terrier through and through/bought the club out of his passion for the game etc without stopping for a moment and looking at the reality. A very succesfull/wealthy businesses man comes out of the blue to save us having never heard of the club or the town. Upon arriving he is adamant on buying the ground, building the brand etc. Now I’m not saying Nagle is a bad guy, I think he’s quite the opposite and now he is involved he is behind us as a club to do well. Having said that if anybody on here thinks there was no money/business motivation behind his buying of the club and he wants us to do well as nothing more than a fan, then I’m afraid you live in cuckoo land. I agree with a lot of this. I really like KN and I believe he will do what's best for the club. But, there must be some financial gain long term for him to take us on. Every businessman has a motive. He hasn't become a billionaire by not making a profit. I think the situation is good for both club and Kev. Long term the club will be secure. I also agree to a lot of what you both posted. However, Whilst i’m sure that he is looking for opportunities to make money, i’m not necessarily sure how much this is his main driver. He appears to be an incredibly rich man. Who is now 70 years old. I am sure his kids and indeed current and future grandchildren are set up for life financially. His business as a whole seem to be incredibly successful. So how much more money is he actually look to make?? He’s likely to have a hell of a lot of disposable income to spend. Money that if he spends it all and gets nothing back, won’t even make the slightest dent. Money that he can throw at a project with the intent of making more money out of it but not really worry if he gets nothing back (but nice if he does). A bit like you and I buying a lottery ticket. It’d be bloody great to win, but highly unlikely we’ll get anything back and it’s a few quid you can afford. Huddersfield Town is a bit of a vanity project that he’s spending his spare money on. Not something he desperately needs to make a huge profit from. Nice if he can, but not a train smash if he doesn’t. His other businesses and investments seem to be making him a tidy living and will more than cover any losses here. He obviously wants the project to be successful as a whole, because successful people never want to fail. So he’ll see it as a long(ish) term project with long(ish) term targets to achieve I think it’s a win win situation. As supporters we want the club to be the very best it possibly can be. As a very successful man, with seemingly a massive amount of money, Nagle wants his vanity project to be as successful as it possibly can. It hasn’t been and won’t be a simple straight line. But i do believe KN wants what he has started to end successfully for him. If it does, that will be good for us. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Oct 25, 2024 22:55:31 GMT 1
Can I ask, in your first couple of years directing, if some self appointed expert , because they’d watched some TV, was criticising your work all over social media, how would have you reacted? I’m getting the impression that you wouldn’t have acted kindly. I’ve never been daft enough not to listen to outside criticism or even ideas. Nagle - does not. Maybe being a multi-billionaire makes you like that. Birmingham have invested and have momentum and excitement. We on the other have Ladapo. End of debate really. ”End of debate really.” Do you understand what you just did there by finishing your post this way? You essentially just shut down the debate on your terms, stifling discussion, communication, constructive criticism and debate. You had just told me that you are open to criticism, but then quickly shut down any criticism. If you are actually open to criticism, I’d offer you some constructive criticism about your communication style and tone. As far as Nagel goes, do you honestly think he hasn’t listened to the staff, the fans, and his advisors? Nagel has clearly listened to his staff and improved their workplace and their ability to do their jobs. Don’t forget, there will be many changes that are driven by the staff that we don’t see, it won’t be limited to better workspaces, but dressing rooms etc are the easy ones to show the fans through. Fans have asked for many different improvements, some have been enacted and others are on the way. The irony is, here he is taking 30-40 minutes out of his day delivering a message to fans, communicating and asking for more ideas about how to improve the match day experience but you continue to say he doesn’t listen. You can sit there and drone on about strikers (I agree we need a decent striker by the way) but it’s not the only way to improve a match day experience and then revenue to set us up to afford and compete with the richer championship clubs. It’s clear that Nagel understands we need to increase the match day experience, from hours before kickoff until the last fan leaves at the end of the day. Nagel understands this because he’s been to numerous fan forums and canvased ideas from every area, including here, including you. One of the main projects where money is clearly being spent and going to have further investment is the stadium. Fans have given plenty of feedback on the stadium and his advisors are clearly working hard with Nagel to get control of the stadium. While many might think this is a waste of money to put a lick of paint when we can spend the money on a striker, but this is short term thinking, whereas I see Nagel looking at both the current condition of the club, but where the club is in the future. Does anyone think the likes of Delta Airlines comes to our stadium and says “yeah we'll ignore the rust and the vintage feeling of the stadium and put our name on the stadium? An airline prides itself on engineering and safety, there’s no way a company like that would put their name on a rusted stadium requiring maintenance and paint. The reality is we need to attract these types of companies if we want to buy the top line striker and sustainably afford them. Whatever your thoughts are about the FFP rules, we can’t ignore them if we want to return to the top 2 leagues in England. We need to build from the bottom up. It’s going to take time and you are going to need to show Nagel some patience, because if you are being fair to him, he bought a club that had an ageing squad with mostly depreciating value, a club that was starved of investment by previous owners, especially in the last few years of their tenure. So my point to you is patience it’s not just about what happens on the park (which I do acknowledge is important) and work on how you communicate with Nagel as he does listen. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 25, 2024 23:02:28 GMT 1
I think there is a fair bit of naivety on here with regards to Nagle. Some fans seem to wholeheartedly buy the he is now a terrier through and through/bought the club out of his passion for the game etc without stopping for a moment and looking at the reality. A very succesfull/wealthy businesses man comes out of the blue to save us having never heard of the club or the town. Upon arriving he is adamant on buying the ground, building the brand etc. Now I’m not saying Nagle is a bad guy, I think he’s quite the opposite and now he is involved he is behind us as a club to do well. Having said that if anybody on here thinks there was no money/business motivation behind his buying of the club and he wants us to do well as nothing more than a fan, then I’m afraid you live in cuckoo land. Think everyone does realise he sees a buck here somewhere. He's probably right too, there's great potential in many areas. We do realise this isn't simply philanthropy,it's business. There are degrees though, the main one being how long he's invested for ,and what then ? The $64m dollar questions eh. Why? How long? What's the exit plan? Never been asked any of them. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Oct 25, 2024 23:02:37 GMT 1
I agree with a lot of this. I really like KN and I believe he will do what's best for the club. But, there must be some financial gain long term for him to take us on. Every businessman has a motive. He hasn't become a billionaire by not making a profit. I think the situation is good for both club and Kev. Long term the club will be secure. I also agree to a lot of what you both posted. However, Whilst i’m sure that he is looking for opportunities to make money, i’m not necessarily sure how much this is his main driver. He appears to be an incredibly rich man. Who is now 70 years old. I am sure his kids and indeed current and future grandchildren are set up for life financially. His business as a whole seem to be incredibly successful. So how much more money is he actually look to make?? He’s likely to have a hell of a lot of disposable income to spend. Money that if he spends it all and gets nothing back, won’t even make the slightest dent. Money that he can throw at a project with the intent of making more money out of it but not really worry if he gets nothing back (but nice if he does). A bit like you and I buying a lottery ticket. It’d be bloody great to win, but highly unlikely we’ll get anything back and it’s a few quid you can afford. Huddersfield Town is a bit of a vanity project that he’s spending his spare money on. Not something he desperately needs to make a huge profit from. Nice if he can, but not a train smash if he doesn’t. His other businesses and investments seem to be making him a tidy living and will more than cover any losses here. He obviously wants the project to be successful as a whole, because successful people never want to fail. So he’ll see it as a long(ish) term project with long(ish) term targets to achieve I think it’s a win win situation. As supporters we want the club to be the very best it possibly can be. As a very successful man, with seemingly a massive amount of money, Nagle wants his vanity project to be as successful as it possibly can. It hasn’t been and won’t be a simple straight line. But i do believe KN wants what he has started to end successfully for him. If it does, that will be good for us. That’s how I see it. Rich people buy all sorts of things that don’t make them money, think cars, boats, aeroplanes and now football clubs. I can see how this would be an attractive challenge for him, to build something that felt worthwhile, even if it didn’t make financial sense with a return on investment. It’s the new billionaire’s toy, a sports team. |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Oct 25, 2024 23:05:05 GMT 1
Not bothered in the slightest that Nagle has no previous connection or knowledge of the club / area. We’ve been down the local business man / fan as owner and it turned out to be an unmitigated disaster seeing us almost going bust, funny how Nagle seems to be getting pelters from some on account of him being an American with no connection to the area. Yet plenty were heralding a shoddy ‘crash for cash’ business man whom it was clear from day 1 was a complete bullshit merchant / conman, solely on the basis being he was a Town fan.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 25, 2024 23:23:25 GMT 1
I also agree to a lot of what you both posted. However, Whilst i’m sure that he is looking for opportunities to make money, i’m not necessarily sure how much this is his main driver. He appears to be an incredibly rich man. Who is now 70 years old. I am sure his kids and indeed current and future grandchildren are set up for life financially. His business as a whole seem to be incredibly successful. So how much more money is he actually look to make?? He’s likely to have a hell of a lot of disposable income to spend. Money that if he spends it all and gets nothing back, won’t even make the slightest dent. Money that he can throw at a project with the intent of making more money out of it but not really worry if he gets nothing back (but nice if he does). A bit like you and I buying a lottery ticket. It’d be bloody great to win, but highly unlikely we’ll get anything back and it’s a few quid you can afford. Huddersfield Town is a bit of a vanity project that he’s spending his spare money on. Not something he desperately needs to make a huge profit from. Nice if he can, but not a train smash if he doesn’t. His other businesses and investments seem to be making him a tidy living and will more than cover any losses here. He obviously wants the project to be successful as a whole, because successful people never want to fail. So he’ll see it as a long(ish) term project with long(ish) term targets to achieve I think it’s a win win situation. As supporters we want the club to be the very best it possibly can be. As a very successful man, with seemingly a massive amount of money, Nagle wants his vanity project to be as successful as it possibly can. It hasn’t been and won’t be a simple straight line. But i do believe KN wants what he has started to end successfully for him. If it does, that will be good for us. That’s how I see it. Rich people buy all sorts of things that don’t make them money, think cars, boats, aeroplanes and now football clubs. I can see how this would be an attractive challenge for him, to build something that felt worthwhile, even if it didn’t make financial sense with a return on investment. It’s the new billionaire’s toy, a sports team. I think the old adage is that you rent anything that flies, floats or fucks. Buying us despite all the attendant negatives suggests that his intentions are good (but let’s keep a cynical eye out). |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 25, 2024 23:26:04 GMT 1
I’ve never been daft enough not to listen to outside criticism or even ideas. Nagle - does not. Maybe being a multi-billionaire makes you like that. Birmingham have invested and have momentum and excitement. We on the other have Ladapo. End of debate really. ”End of debate really.” Do you understand what you just did there by finishing your post this way? You essentially just shut down the debate on your terms, stifling discussion, communication, constructive criticism and debate. You had just told me that you are open to criticism, but then quickly shut down any criticism. If you are actually open to criticism, I’d offer you some constructive criticism about your communication style and tone. As far as Nagel goes, do you honestly think he hasn’t listened to the staff, the fans, and his advisors? Nagel has clearly listened to his staff and improved their workplace and their ability to do their jobs. Don’t forget, there will be many changes that are driven by the staff that we don’t see, it won’t be limited to better workspaces, but dressing rooms etc are the easy ones to show the fans through. Fans have asked for many different improvements, some have been enacted and others are on the way. The irony is, here he is taking 30-40 minutes out of his day delivering a message to fans, communicating and asking for more ideas about how to improve the match day experience but you continue to say he doesn’t listen. You can sit there and drone on about strikers (I agree we need a decent striker by the way) but it’s not the only way to improve a match day experience and then revenue to set us up to afford and compete with the richer championship clubs. It’s clear that Nagel understands we need to increase the match day experience, from hours before kickoff until the last fan leaves at the end of the day. Nagel understands this because he’s been to numerous fan forums and canvased ideas from every area, including here, including you. One of the main projects where money is clearly being spent and going to have further investment is the stadium. Fans have given plenty of feedback on the stadium and his advisors are clearly working hard with Nagel to get control of the stadium. While many might think this is a waste of money to put a lick of paint when we can spend the money on a striker, but this is short term thinking, whereas I see Nagel looking at both the current condition of the club, but where the club is in the future. Does anyone think the likes of Delta Airlines comes to our stadium and says “yeah we'll ignore the rust and the vintage feeling of the stadium and put our name on the stadium? An airline prides itself on engineering and safety, there’s no way a company like that would put their name on a rusted stadium requiring maintenance and paint. The reality is we need to attract these types of companies if we want to buy the top line striker and sustainably afford them. Whatever your thoughts are about the FFP rules, we can’t ignore them if we want to return to the top 2 leagues in England. We need to build from the bottom up. It’s going to take time and you are going to need to show Nagel some patience, because if you are being fair to him, he bought a club that had an ageing squad with mostly depreciating value, a club that was starved of investment by previous owners, especially in the last few years of their tenure. So my point to you is patience it’s not just about what happens on the park (which I do acknowledge is important) and work on how you communicate with Nagel as he does listen. Fair enough. Personally I don’t trust him , but that’s my opinion. I will either be proved wrong or right. I mean those waistcoats -  - embarrassing. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 25, 2024 23:27:06 GMT 1
That’s how I see it. Rich people buy all sorts of things that don’t make them money, think cars, boats, aeroplanes and now football clubs. I can see how this would be an attractive challenge for him, to build something that felt worthwhile, even if it didn’t make financial sense with a return on investment. It’s the new billionaire’s toy, a sports team. I think the old adage is that you rent anything that flies, floats or fucks. Buying us despite all the attendant negatives suggests that his intentions are good (but let’s keep a cynical eye out). Sceptical rather than cynical surely? |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 25, 2024 23:28:45 GMT 1
I think the old adage is that you rent anything that flies, floats or fucks. Buying us despite all the attendant negatives suggests that his intentions are good (but let’s keep a cynical eye out). Sceptical rather than cynical surely? I’m sceptical out of my right eye and cynical out of my left (and I’ve had a few Friday night snifters) |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 25, 2024 23:36:26 GMT 1
Not true. Promised forwards. Signed ladapo- who apparently we tracked all summer. We can all see he miles off the pace. Marshall a young kid who is decent but shouldn’t be playing every week. Our biggest rivals took May away from us. Too much was the reply. So hardly showing great ambition. Summer signings Marshall - loan Lonwijk - loan Hodge - loan Miller - free (excellent player) Evans £475,000 apparently. Ladapo - free Sorensen - £500,000 ?? Sold Rudhoni - upto 6 million with add ons? Thomas -loan is there a loan fee ? So clearly it looks like the money coming in is greater than the money spent. Where is the ambition ? So forgive if I’m taking everything Nagle says with a pinch of salt. Mentioning Rudoni, completely ignoring his transfer fee is completely eaten (and more) by the drop in revenue and not sacking any staff to compensate I'll just nip in here, apropos of nothing, and say that Rudoni was fucking shit and we'll be playing against him and his Coventry team next season. They're going down, we're staying down. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Oct 26, 2024 2:35:48 GMT 1
That’s how I see it. Rich people buy all sorts of things that don’t make them money, think cars, boats, aeroplanes and now football clubs. I can see how this would be an attractive challenge for him, to build something that felt worthwhile, even if it didn’t make financial sense with a return on investment. It’s the new billionaire’s toy, a sports team. I think the old adage is that you rent anything that flies, floats or fucks. Buying us despite all the attendant negatives suggests that his intentions are good (but let’s keep a cynical eye out). I’ve always thought that saying rings true for people who can’t afford them. Rich people can afford toys with excess money, in their case it’s about ownership and not necessarily the money. |
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