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Post by captainblack on Aug 31, 2024 18:28:49 GMT 1
Thats it then, season over.  I did not go today Sabby , but have seen our two home games, I honestly thought we would make the play-offs at least , I am seriously having doubts we are good enough, the two home games have been far from convincing . The striker situation has not been addressed again ! how many seasons are we going to fall for all the hype, I honestly hope I am totally mistaken and have to eat humble pie , but on our performances so far I think we will finish 7/8th in this league. |
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Post by Amigo on Aug 31, 2024 18:33:16 GMT 1
I've noticed that there's a lot of "we".
"We" are always getting loads of injuries "we" must be training them too hard/not enough.
"We" have in recent years got used to losing" etc...
The only constant "we" in the last few years has been the fans and a couple of the players.
The owners, the managers, the coaching staff, the majority of players have been changing regularly recently. Without question that takes away any possible training issue. The managers and coaches are changing relentlessly so we can have a stagnant mentality there and also unless Hogg is going round telling everyone that walks through the door "We're shit mate, once we concede a goal just plod it out for the rest of the match because we're fucked and will go on to lose anyway" as the majority of players are also changing regularly. The way Hogg stood off and gave away a free shot for the winner though perhaps that is the case.
The injuries are just bad luck. Healey maybe not as much he was a gamble because hes a good player but known to have fitness issues.
We're in League one, we're going to make mistakes, our players are going to have off days, we'll win more than we lose but Duff is known for having a slow start as he gets his team together. It's not panic stations just yet after 4 games and 1 point off top of the league.
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Post by 28901 on Aug 31, 2024 18:41:31 GMT 1
It's Paterson not Pattinson (isn't he from Twilight?), why do people continually struggle so much with spelling our own players and staff names correctly? It started during the Prem years on motd and has since spread to the fanbase. They even called us Middlesbrough once |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 31, 2024 18:45:48 GMT 1
The refs the wrong side to even see it aswell, I don't believe the linesman flagged, so he's given it based on the rotherham players reaction. Correct. Glennon said it too. Right in front of the liner and no reaction. |
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Post by 28901 on Aug 31, 2024 18:47:29 GMT 1
Anyone that was in the "we will be alright camp" when we didn't bring Taylor/another striker in changed their mind after today? I haven’t, it wasn’t anything to do with quality of our strikers today No but now we have no striker on the bench for the foreseeable, and a winger and a young lad starting up front. |
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Post by josiegee on Aug 31, 2024 18:49:59 GMT 1
Good interview from Pattinson. Fair assessment of how the game went. Let’s hope they do learn cos it’s going to be a long season again otherwise. It's Paterson not Pattinson (isn't he from Twilight?), why do people continually struggle so much with spelling our own players and staff names correctly? Sorry it auto corrected and I didn’t check 😔 |
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Post by canuckterrier on Aug 31, 2024 19:10:23 GMT 1
Good interview from Pattinson. Fair assessment of how the game went. Let’s hope they do learn cos it’s going to be a long season again otherwise. First time I've heard him speak. Must say I was quite impressed and as you say, a very fair assessment of the game. |
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Post by soapystevens on Aug 31, 2024 19:12:35 GMT 1
Referees are getting worse absolutely no doubt about that but they don't seem to get any help from any other of the officials.
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Post by softboy on Aug 31, 2024 19:24:44 GMT 1
We were very poor today but having taken the lead I have no idea why Sorensen took out their striker out to give away the penalty and let them back into the game!////
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Post by Amigo on Aug 31, 2024 19:35:42 GMT 1
We were very poor today but having taken the lead I have no idea why Sorensen took out their striker out to give away the penalty and let them back into the game!//// Don't get me wrong it was utterly shit defending but I don't think he did take him out, he let him get in front of him enough that he could "win" the penalty by chucking a leg in front of Sorensen. The reaction to getting the penalty suggested it was what he was aiming for as well rather than being fouled trying to play on. |
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Post by prestonrues1 on Aug 31, 2024 19:55:29 GMT 1
Predicted a loss after going to Walsall and watching a capitulation , too many of last years losers still dominating this team . How Hogg is getting anywhere near 90 mins still is beyond me , slow and offers very little now and completely to blame for the winner .
Town 2 games in a row we deserved to lose and we were out fought again. The 2 new lads did well and looked good prospects but yet again 2nd best and I’m fucking pig sick of referees ruining town games always not in our favour, and for those who say they even them selves out bullshit, life isn’t fair and town definitely don’t get the rub with incompetent refs. Penalty my fucking arse. It’s becoming beyond a joke
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Post by goodbet on Aug 31, 2024 20:02:05 GMT 1
I haven’t, it wasn’t anything to do with quality of our strikers today No but now we have no striker on the bench for the foreseeable, and a winger and a young lad starting up front. We don't need any more strikers we were told! We have six to cover that position. Many raised this throughout the window, but Cartwright knows best. |
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Post by calken on Aug 31, 2024 20:06:38 GMT 1
Why is Hogg standing there waiting to be tackled at the edge of the area? Love the guy but Hogg is awful. He's like the socially awkward friend that you still take to parties even though every time he opens his mouth its a train wreck. |
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 31, 2024 20:08:30 GMT 1
Referees are getting worse absolutely no doubt about that but they don't seem to get any help from any other of the officials. Further we drop down the leagues the worse they’re gonna get |
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Post by nutjacker on Aug 31, 2024 20:10:56 GMT 1
we have enough fire power though guys don’t worry! Fire power!! we are a joke up front and you can't be serious. Dan’s just referencing what Nagle has been saying Bluebeard |
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Post by ezzie on Aug 31, 2024 20:14:00 GMT 1
In this system, we depend on our two wide CBs stepping into midfield to receive a pass, creating an overload and drawing the opposition out of position, thereby creating space for the attacking CMs and wingbacks to move into. This is best done by a pass into the deepest CM, who takes the ball under pressure and passes it to the advancing CB, which also has the advantage of taking the player marking that CM out of the game. One positive for me is that, after a shaky first 10 mins I thought our new CB was exactly what we've been missing in that role. Him on the left with Spencer on the right could be a very productive mix. However, it's obvious that Hogg is not suited to the role we need him to play. Unfortunately, when your deepest CM is incapable of consistently (1) getting the ball under control with one touch, or (2) playing a good quality 5 yard pass (either to feet or in front of the advancing CB), the opposition isnt drawn out of position, the overloads are not created and the whole system falls apart. That's not a slight on Hogg - he's always struggled with that part of the game, and has excelled in the team when he's in a role that plays to his strengths. This system just requires someone comfortable on the ball rather than someone who screens the defence. It's also obvious that the players don't trust Hogg's technical ability enough to feel comfortable passing to him when he's under pressure - there were lots of occasions when the pass to him was on but wasn't taken. The result was that the ball was just being hit long, which takes our other CMs completely out of the game (I feel a bit for Evans and Wiles today - not much you can do when the ball is forever flying over your head) and neutralises our wingbacks (unless the ball is pinpoint, which it rarely was). I think that if you put Kane, Kasumu, or (potentially, albeit on an extremely limited showing) Hodge in that position, we don't get the performance that we had today (I appreciate that two of those are injured and one has only been here for a couple of days, so it's ifs and buts). I don't think it's rocket science - ultimately, if you play a system which relies upon quick passing in the centre of the pitch, you need to play CMs who are capable of doing that. If you don't have the CMs to do that (whether due to injury or otherwise), then you need to figure out a different way of playing the hand that you are dealt. If you dont, you end up with hoofball. For what it's worth, I don't think this was a game where not bringing in Taylor/May affected us. I thought both Marshall and Koroma looked bright (although Koroma still needs work on knowing when to shoot and when to pass), and if we play the sort of football that Duff (presumably) wants us to play then I think they'll both do well. However, we are not set up to play hoofball, and would not have been even with the aborted signings on the pitch. Whether we should have sought to sign someone who can hold the ball up if we need to play that way is, of course, a separate question, but we are where we are. Good post |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Aug 31, 2024 20:32:23 GMT 1
Being a fan of this club is just such a chuffing chore! Fed up of player after player after player that can’t seemingly pass a f’ing football! They literally train with these things every bloody day of their lives but it’s almost like a foreign object come a Saturday afternoon and we just knock it into touch or hoof it down the bastard pitch.
And if our own shitness wasn’t enough to tolerate, we also have to put up with god awful decisions that just constantly go against us. Decisions that are so extremely rare in our favour, if at all, but flipped around and the referee just can’t wait to give!
I just want to see us play some good football, is that too much to ask? I mean, even in our victories this season we’ve been largely crap! I live in hope that it’s going to get better but the early signs are there that we are in for another lame, injury hit, season.
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Post by TBC on Aug 31, 2024 20:52:27 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate.
He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot.
Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain.
He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front.
However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy.
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 31, 2024 20:56:02 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate. He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot. Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain. He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front. However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy. What debate? He passed today and we scored. He’s one of about three players who looks championship level at the moment, strange time to be knocking him. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 31, 2024 20:57:52 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate. He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot. Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain. He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front. However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy. Today, he beat the CB to a ball he had no right to... then beat him again on the outside and then cut it back to Hodge for the goal. Come again... who were you calling "thick as a plank"? |
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Post by ezzie on Aug 31, 2024 20:57:56 GMT 1
I really don’t think people truly understand the negative impact Hogg has on the whole team nevermind his two midfield teammates. I was at the game today and fuck me, he’s the central one of the three with the WORST movement I’ve ever seen, stands still and never shows for the ball because his technique isn’t good enough and gets caught on the ball.
Your central DM should be collecting the fucking ball off the CB and turning to find options.
Wiles and Evan’s are running round like headless chickens because their ‘general’ is seriously inept in that role. We are missing Kane badly in that role.
I think it was against Morecambe where Kane played in the 6 role and had an absolute field day taking the ball on the half turn and getting out of pressure with ease, made the game look like an exhibition.
I just can’t understand why Duff doesn’t see it? Surely Iorpenda, or Hodge from the start.
In his short Cameo I thought Hodge looked really good in that role, very agile, moves the ball quickly when needed.
Hogg…. “Leave the football, before the football leaves you”
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Post by tonytiler on Aug 31, 2024 21:08:14 GMT 1
I've said this before,no manager at this club has the balls to leave Hoggy out its as simple as that,the man could turn up with one leg and still get the nod as captain and it won't change anytime soon with Duff.
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Post by jakeg on Aug 31, 2024 21:30:31 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate. He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot. Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain. He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front. However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy. Today, he beat the CB to a ball he had no right to... then beat him again on the outside and then cut it back to Hodge for the goal. Come again... who were you calling "thick as a plank"? Agreed. I know Nicholls made some great saves but Koroma easily our best player. Always a threat....possibly the only one to be fair. Held the ball up well too as well....strong. He's been excellent so far.....definitely not one to pick on |
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Post by Richard1986 on Aug 31, 2024 21:31:06 GMT 1
Shambles.
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Post by pterrier on Aug 31, 2024 21:47:29 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate. He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot. Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain. He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front. However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy. Best player on the pitch today but don’t let that get in the way of a bizarre rant…based on some of the rhetoric in your post I have a sneaking suspicion about what else underlies your animosity towards him but ‘I’ll pass on that’ for now and conclude with I ‘don’t think there’s much hope with you on the educational front’ either. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 31, 2024 21:51:14 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate. He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot. Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain. He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front. However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy. Best player on the pitch today but don’t let that get in the way of a bizarre rant…based on some of the rhetoric in your post I have a sneaking suspicion about what else underlies your animosity towards him but ‘I’ll pass on that’ for now and conclude with I ‘don’t think there’s much hope with you on the educational front’ either. Koroma by a mile was our best player on the pitch by a country mile. That defeat was down to duff. |
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Aug 31, 2024 22:06:51 GMT 1
In this system, we depend on our two wide CBs stepping into midfield to receive a pass, creating an overload and drawing the opposition out of position, thereby creating space for the attacking CMs and wingbacks to move into. This is best done by a pass into the deepest CM, who takes the ball under pressure and passes it to the advancing CB, which also has the advantage of taking the player marking that CM out of the game. One positive for me is that, after a shaky first 10 mins I thought our new CB was exactly what we've been missing in that role. Him on the left with Spencer on the right could be a very productive mix. However, it's obvious that Hogg is not suited to the role we need him to play. Unfortunately, when your deepest CM is incapable of consistently (1) getting the ball under control with one touch, or (2) playing a good quality 5 yard pass (either to feet or in front of the advancing CB), the opposition isnt drawn out of position, the overloads are not created and the whole system falls apart. That's not a slight on Hogg - he's always struggled with that part of the game, and has excelled in the team when he's in a role that plays to his strengths. This system just requires someone comfortable on the ball rather than someone who screens the defence. It's also obvious that the players don't trust Hogg's technical ability enough to feel comfortable passing to him when he's under pressure - there were lots of occasions when the pass to him was on but wasn't taken. The result was that the ball was just being hit long, which takes our other CMs completely out of the game (I feel a bit for Evans and Wiles today - not much you can do when the ball is forever flying over your head) and neutralises our wingbacks (unless the ball is pinpoint, which it rarely was). I think that if you put Kane, Kasumu, or (potentially, albeit on an extremely limited showing) Hodge in that position, we don't get the performance that we had today (I appreciate that two of those are injured and one has only been here for a couple of days, so it's ifs and buts). I don't think it's rocket science - ultimately, if you play a system which relies upon quick passing in the centre of the pitch, you need to play CMs who are capable of doing that. If you don't have the CMs to do that (whether due to injury or otherwise), then you need to figure out a different way of playing the hand that you are dealt. If you dont, you end up with hoofball. For what it's worth, I don't think this was a game where not bringing in Taylor/May affected us. I thought both Marshall and Koroma looked bright (although Koroma still needs work on knowing when to shoot and when to pass), and if we play the sort of football that Duff (presumably) wants us to play then I think they'll both do well. However, we are not set up to play hoofball, and would not have been even with the aborted signings on the pitch. Whether we should have sought to sign someone who can hold the ball up if we need to play that way is, of course, a separate question, but we are where we are. Good post what a fantastic post and great summary. UTT |
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 31, 2024 22:08:34 GMT 1
Regarding the Josh Koroma should I shoot or should I pass debate. He's played under several managers now who have no doubt shown him several videos of where he should pass or shoot. Therefore he's either thick as a plank, just plain greedy or just doesn't have a footballing brain. He's 25 now so I don't think there is much hope on the education front. However, I'm going to be generous and say he's just plain greedy. He was the only good thing about our attacking play today, made our goal from a mazy run and smart cut back which he passed at the perfect time. I think you might actually have worms living in your brain if that's the conclusion you got from his performance today |
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Post by frankslegs on Aug 31, 2024 22:13:46 GMT 1
This club is a sick joke. Why |
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