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Post by Floyds on Oct 9, 2024 11:39:06 GMT 1
TI offers something different than our other midfielders - he's quick, has energy and looks forward (from the little we've seen from him).
This is in contrast to the rest of them who are all much of a muchness.
Definitely worth having on the bench and I would actually have started him during the bad run we've been on until the few days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 11:41:38 GMT 1
TI offers something different than our other midfielders - he's quick, has energy and looks forward (from the little we've seen from him). This is in contrast to the rest of them who are all much of a muchness. Definitely worth having on the bench and I would actually have started him during the bad run we've been on until the few days. I agree with most of your post, but are you saying that Hogg and Wiles are basically the same player?! |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 9, 2024 11:48:36 GMT 1
TI offers something different than our other midfielders - he's quick, has energy and looks forward (from the little we've seen from him). This is in contrast to the rest of them who are all much of a muchness. Definitely worth having on the bench and I would actually have started him during the bad run we've been on until the few days. I agree with you about TI but clearly Duff doesn't. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 9, 2024 11:56:51 GMT 1
TI offers something different than our other midfielders - he's quick, has energy and looks forward (from the little we've seen from him). This is in contrast to the rest of them who are all much of a muchness. Definitely worth having on the bench and I would actually have started him during the bad run we've been on until the few days. I agree with you about TI but clearly Duff doesn't. I think he's 19 and he doesn't want to throw him into a part of the team that until this last week Duff (or whoever is responsible for the tactics) has woefully under-managed whilst we've been laying down and letting others run through us. If Tom had played* in those last 5 or 6 games, there's a risk he'd be burned, MD will also be influenced by the crowd reaction to Headley having a few stinky moments and him collapsing a bit under the pressure, as someone 4 or 5 years older. I reckon we'll see more of Tom if we can keep a run of positive form going, and potentially more at away games. He's away from home for the first time, we've no idea how he's coping...its not like going off to Uni at that age and surrounded by hundreds and thousands of other anonymous people and getting bladdered at the weekend with no consequence. If he can remain grounded and not get too frustrated at seeing 1st team football right on the edge of his grasp at the moment, he's got a massive career ahead of him. *My personal opinion is if Tom had played we'd have more points and he wouldnt have been burned/exposed, since he seems to know what he's doing and has real good composure and decision making. |
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Post by Dell12 on Oct 9, 2024 12:14:13 GMT 1
I agree with you about TI but clearly Duff doesn't. I think he's 19 and he doesn't want to throw him into a part of the team that until this last week Duff (or whoever is responsible for the tactics) has woefully under-managed whilst we've been laying down and letting others run through us. If Tom had played* in those last 5 or 6 games, there's a risk he'd be burned, MD will also be influenced by the crowd reaction to Headley having a few stinky moments and him collapsing a bit under the pressure, as someone 4 or 5 years older. I reckon we'll see more of Tom if we can keep a run of positive form going, and potentially more at away games. He's away from home for the first time, we've no idea how he's coping...its not like going off to Uni at that age and surrounded by hundreds and thousands of other anonymous people and getting bladdered at the weekend with no consequence. If he can remain grounded and not get too frustrated at seeing 1st team football right on the edge of his grasp at the moment, he's got a massive career ahead of him. *My personal opinion is if Tom had played we'd have more points and he wouldnt have been burned/exposed, since he seems to know what he's doing and has real good composure and decision making. Good shout. I think plenty of our younger players have strugged at least partly because they've broken into a team which has been on a downward spiral for so long. Plenty of senior players let their heads drop and panicked when stuff goes wrong, which is always going to make it tricky for youngsters. In recent seasons it's only really the players who've gone out on loan and done well who've come back and consistently looked mentally and physically strong. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 9, 2024 12:38:18 GMT 1
I think he's 19 and he doesn't want to throw him into a part of the team that until this last week Duff (or whoever is responsible for the tactics) has woefully under-managed whilst we've been laying down and letting others run through us. If Tom had played* in those last 5 or 6 games, there's a risk he'd be burned, MD will also be influenced by the crowd reaction to Headley having a few stinky moments and him collapsing a bit under the pressure, as someone 4 or 5 years older. I reckon we'll see more of Tom if we can keep a run of positive form going, and potentially more at away games. He's away from home for the first time, we've no idea how he's coping...its not like going off to Uni at that age and surrounded by hundreds and thousands of other anonymous people and getting bladdered at the weekend with no consequence. If he can remain grounded and not get too frustrated at seeing 1st team football right on the edge of his grasp at the moment, he's got a massive career ahead of him. *My personal opinion is if Tom had played we'd have more points and he wouldnt have been burned/exposed, since he seems to know what he's doing and has real good composure and decision making. Good shout. I think plenty of our younger players have strugged at least partly because they've broken into a team which has been on a downward spiral for so long. Plenty of senior players let their heads drop and panicked when stuff goes wrong, which is always going to make it tricky for youngsters. In recent seasons it's only really the players who've gone out on loan and done well who've come back and consistently looked mentally and physically strong. Yup, to your last point I'd probably flag most recently Brodie Spencer, who is still only 20...I think when we saw him coming in and instantly performing at a high level on his return last season in what was a high pressure environment with seasoned pro's giving up all around the pitch, we assumed he'd now be an established 1st choice player, but he's certainly demonstrated that young players especially can have up's and downs (although Tom is less likely to get played outside of his natural position which will have compounded any off performances that we should EXPECT from Brodie anyway at this early stage in his professional career). |
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Post by Floyds on Oct 9, 2024 12:47:50 GMT 1
TI offers something different than our other midfielders - he's quick, has energy and looks forward (from the little we've seen from him). This is in contrast to the rest of them who are all much of a muchness. Definitely worth having on the bench and I would actually have started him during the bad run we've been on until the few days. I agree with most of your post, but are you saying that Hogg and Wiles are basically the same player?! No, but neither are quick, direct, dynamic - both very one paced. Same as our strikers - none have any pace or aggression. TI at least brings something different to the table. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 12:52:05 GMT 1
I agree with most of your post, but are you saying that Hogg and Wiles are basically the same player?! No, but neither are quick, direct, dynamic - both very one paced. Same as our strikers - none have any pace or aggression. TI at least brings something different to the table. Well then surely Kasumu brings something different with his pace and energy? |
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Post by Floyds on Oct 9, 2024 12:52:50 GMT 1
I agree with you about TI but clearly Duff doesn't. I think he's 19 and he doesn't want to throw him into a part of the team that until this last week Duff (or whoever is responsible for the tactics) has woefully under-managed whilst we've been laying down and letting others run through us. If Tom had played* in those last 5 or 6 games, there's a risk he'd be burned, MD will also be influenced by the crowd reaction to Headley having a few stinky moments and him collapsing a bit under the pressure, as someone 4 or 5 years older. I reckon we'll see more of Tom if we can keep a run of positive form going, and potentially more at away games. He's away from home for the first time, we've no idea how he's coping...its not like going off to Uni at that age and surrounded by hundreds and thousands of other anonymous people and getting bladdered at the weekend with no consequence. If he can remain grounded and not get too frustrated at seeing 1st team football right on the edge of his grasp at the moment, he's got a massive career ahead of him. *My personal opinion is if Tom had played we'd have more points and he wouldnt have been burned/exposed, since he seems to know what he's doing and has real good composure and decision making. I don't think anyone's suggesting playing him for 90 minutes every week - but our midfield clearly wasn't working and he wouldn't have done any worse than Wiles/Hogg/Evans and could have come off the bench for 20 minutes to see if he could positively impact the game. |
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Post by Floyds on Oct 9, 2024 12:58:24 GMT 1
No, but neither are quick, direct, dynamic - both very one paced. Same as our strikers - none have any pace or aggression. TI at least brings something different to the table. Well then surely Kasumu brings something different with his pace and energy? Yeah he does - I was thinking more of the run of defeats (Kasumu was injured) and the midfield trio of Hogg, Evans and Wiles (and Hodge/Kane on the bench). Kasumu has had a positive impact (for those reasons) and TI could also do similar going forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2024 13:01:48 GMT 1
Well then surely Kasumu brings something different with his pace and energy? Yeah he does - I was thinking more of the run of defeats (Kasumu was injured) and the midfield trio of Hogg, Evans and Wiles (and Hodge/Kane on the bench). Kasumu has had a positive impact (for those reasons) and TI could also do similar going forward. True. I was thinking in the midfield three, you need one of Hogg/Kasumu (the tackler), Kane/Hodge (the passer) and Evans/Wiles (the creator). Having watched Iorpenda today though, he could easily begin to displace Evan’s from the match day squad, although I though Evan’s had a good game. |
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Oct 9, 2024 13:15:25 GMT 1
Evans was involved with at least 3 of our more positive moments, the first goal, the first shot on target and the run and cross for Lonwijk for starters.
Yet... he's so damn frustrating.
I guess this is why he's ultimately with us, but for me he needs to cut out the silly errors and impose himself more. Don't always look for the Hollywood ball, keep it simple at times.
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Post by soapystevens on Oct 9, 2024 15:42:31 GMT 1
Crowd 2,182 according to BBC. Applause to everyone single person👍 Applause to all those who went indeed. I haven't missed many games and decided to listen to this game on the radio, strangely i felt guilty for not being there and supporting the team. No matter how you try to dress it up, that is a dreadful crowd and i thought maybe 4,000 would turn up and i was told there was around 300 Barnsley fans there. That makes it was of our lowest ever crowds for a professional game, wasn't our lowest ever crowd around 1,600 against Torquay i was at that game. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 9, 2024 15:47:19 GMT 1
Applause to everyone single person👍 Applause to all those who went indeed. I haven't missed many games and decided to listen to this game on the radio, strangely i felt guilty for not being there and supporting the team. No matter how you try to dress it up, that is a dreadful crowd and i thought maybe 4,000 would turn up and i was told there was around 300 Barnsley fans there. That makes it was of our lowest ever crowds for a professional game, wasn't our lowest ever crowd around 1,600 against Torquay i was at that game. 1767 at Bolton last night just for some context. 300 from Barnsley? I'd have said 150 tops. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 9, 2024 15:50:07 GMT 1
on the basis you may not be joking, That was the carabao Cup. ahh, another blunder...i'm losing my touch..(if I ever had it). Think Utd 21s won 3-2 scoring 3 in the last 10 minutes in the BSM trophy. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 9, 2024 16:02:39 GMT 1
Applause to all those who went indeed. I haven't missed many games and decided to listen to this game on the radio, strangely i felt guilty for not being there and supporting the team. No matter how you try to dress it up, that is a dreadful crowd and i thought maybe 4,000 would turn up and i was told there was around 300 Barnsley fans there. That makes it was of our lowest ever crowds for a professional game, wasn't our lowest ever crowd around 1,600 against Torquay i was at that game. 1767 at Bolton last night just for some context. 300 from Barnsley? I'd have said 150 tops. Just over 300 away fans was the official breakdown attendance given. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 9, 2024 16:05:54 GMT 1
Applause to everyone single person👍 Applause to all those who went indeed. I haven't missed many games and decided to listen to this game on the radio, strangely i felt guilty for not being there and supporting the team. No matter how you try to dress it up, that is a dreadful crowd and i thought maybe 4,000 would turn up and i was told there was around 300 Barnsley fans there. That makes it was of our lowest ever crowds for a professional game, wasn't our lowest ever crowd around 1,600 against Torquay i was at that game. Crowd was about 2,000 too many for me. Farce of a competition. Fans in League 1 and League 2 have rightly been boycotting these games ever since the decision to let Prem under 21 teams in. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2024 16:30:49 GMT 1
It's weird to think he justifiably kept Carel Eiting out of the side for a while. Impressive ability from Carlos to get that out of him. O'Brien did all the donkey work to make Russell look good. O'Brian and one other, did all the donkey work for the whole team. We sold them and replaced them with .... |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2024 16:34:14 GMT 1
Just seen Ward's goal and he looks offside, good finish though. Most people won't like this but the guy is still the best finisher at the club. Which explains why we are where we are and why we got here! |
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Post by soapystevens on Oct 9, 2024 16:37:19 GMT 1
Applause to all those who went indeed. I haven't missed many games and decided to listen to this game on the radio, strangely i felt guilty for not being there and supporting the team. No matter how you try to dress it up, that is a dreadful crowd and i thought maybe 4,000 would turn up and i was told there was around 300 Barnsley fans there. That makes it was of our lowest ever crowds for a professional game, wasn't our lowest ever crowd around 1,600 against Torquay i was at that game. Crowd was about 2,000 too many for me. Farce of a competition. Fans in League 1 and League 2 have rightly been boycotting these games ever since the decision to let Prem under 21 teams in. I agree that it is not much of a competition, but it's the club that lose's out. They have to pay all the staff and the floodlights being on will probably cost more than what they get in gate receipts but at the end of the day if people don't want to go then fair enough. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2024 17:00:08 GMT 1
Loved it when I was 13 or whatever when it came out ( because anyone who was 'cool' had to ) Watch it now, it's cringeworthy just how unfunny it is!  TBF it is a long time since I've watched it. First time around I was about 6 or 7 (I had older cousins), then repeats were on telly about 10-15 years later and I loved it because I got all the jokes that had gone over my head first time around. Part of me wants to watch it again to prove you wrong (and enjoy it again in its own right!), the other part says don't, as it would spoil the memory. Try re watching Auf Wiedersehen, Pet again. It was great, but on re watching it, it is racist and sexist and has not aged well. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 9, 2024 17:23:31 GMT 1
Crowd was about 2,000 too many for me. Farce of a competition. Fans in League 1 and League 2 have rightly been boycotting these games ever since the decision to let Prem under 21 teams in. I agree that it is not much of a competition, but it's the club that lose's out. They have to pay all the staff and the floodlights being on will probably cost more than what they get in gate receipts but at the end of the day if people don't want to go then fair enough. It's hone right down the chute since they've had the PL under 21's in. They've actually forced themselves on the National League too with a new competition with the under 21 sides from the PL. I went last night because I'm a Town fan and I always dupport the club by attending games. I don't want to see them lose any game, whether it's in this competition or any other. I find it a bit weird any Town fan wanting to lose a game, seems an odd concept to me. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 9, 2024 17:41:02 GMT 1
TBF it is a long time since I've watched it. First time around I was about 6 or 7 (I had older cousins), then repeats were on telly about 10-15 years later and I loved it because I got all the jokes that had gone over my head first time around. Part of me wants to watch it again to prove you wrong (and enjoy it again in its own right!), the other part says don't, as it would spoil the memory. Well it's very subjective isnt it. I watched one recently and was thinking 'Really?? This is truly dreadful!' Groundbreaking at the time maybe but IMO it's not aged well in the way something like Father Ted has. Big fan of Rik Mayal and somehow ended up watching a stage version of Bottom with him and Ade Edmondsen whilst pissed one night over Xmas. I never watched it the first time round and let's just say I hadn't missed anything! Maybe hilarious if you're a 12 year old boy! Middle aged men and women in the audience guffawing though so it takes all sorts I suppose! Maybe just of it's time or a bit niche, bit like Mrs browns boys! |
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 9, 2024 17:58:06 GMT 1
TBF it is a long time since I've watched it. First time around I was about 6 or 7 (I had older cousins), then repeats were on telly about 10-15 years later and I loved it because I got all the jokes that had gone over my head first time around. Part of me wants to watch it again to prove you wrong (and enjoy it again in its own right!), the other part says don't, as it would spoil the memory. Try re watching Auf Wiedersehen, Pet again. It was great, but on re watching it, it is racist and sexist and has not aged well. I never got into that show at the time TBH, so I'd be watching them all for the first time. Would be interesting to see it though, how comedy has moved on over time. Probably couldn't get away with Alf Garnett these days, even though that show was specifically an anti-racism comedy. |
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Post by soapystevens on Oct 9, 2024 18:23:31 GMT 1
Well it's very subjective isnt it. I watched one recently and was thinking 'Really?? This is truly dreadful!' Groundbreaking at the time maybe but IMO it's not aged well in the way something like Father Ted has. Big fan of Rik Mayal and somehow ended up watching a stage version of Bottom with him and Ade Edmondsen whilst pissed one night over Xmas. I never watched it the first time round and let's just say I hadn't missed anything! Maybe hilarious if you're a 12 year old boy! Middle aged men and women in the audience guffawing though so it takes all sorts I suppose! Maybe just of it's time or a bit niche, bit like Mrs browns boys! I thought Bottom was brilliant and i saw Rik Mayal at Granada studios in 1993. He was brilliant also in Black Adder as Lord Flasheart. |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 9, 2024 21:13:20 GMT 1
TBF it is a long time since I've watched it. First time around I was about 6 or 7 (I had older cousins), then repeats were on telly about 10-15 years later and I loved it because I got all the jokes that had gone over my head first time around. Part of me wants to watch it again to prove you wrong (and enjoy it again in its own right!), the other part says don't, as it would spoil the memory. Try re watching Auf Wiedersehen, Pet again. It was great, but on re watching it, it is racist and sexist and has not aged well. It's neither of those things - it's a brilliant series originally made in the 80s reflecting the UK back then. The world changes continually - sometimes for the good sometimes not so. I dare say folks will look back on big brother, I'm a celebrity etc and say the same in 30 yrs. |
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Post by stevvy on Oct 9, 2024 21:49:04 GMT 1
Re clubs losing out financially, I believe the EFL actually basically top up funds so no club loses out from a game, you break even at least (unless what I read a few years ago was wrong, but saw it mentined quite a bit). Doesn't include appearance fees etc, but stuff like floodlight costs, general stuff likely gets taken into account.
Re the U21 with National League thing, it's not even just PL teams, it's basically PL2 teams, which includes the likes of Blackburn, Derby, and Stoke. I can't imagine fans of Tamworth being interested in watching Blackburn kids for example
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 9, 2024 22:20:11 GMT 1
TBF it is a long time since I've watched it. First time around I was about 6 or 7 (I had older cousins), then repeats were on telly about 10-15 years later and I loved it because I got all the jokes that had gone over my head first time around. Part of me wants to watch it again to prove you wrong (and enjoy it again in its own right!), the other part says don't, as it would spoil the memory. Try re watching Auf Wiedersehen, Pet again. It was great, but on re watching it, it is racist and sexist and has not aged well. Disagree. I'd never watched Auf Pet until about 5 years ago. I think it's great. Love all the series' but the first 2 are the best. If you think the show is racist or sexist then I think you've missed the point that they're trying to make. Theres usually a moral to the story and the characters stereotypical view (usually Oz's) is challenged. It's about working class men from deprived areas of England in the 80s. The way they speak and think is probably a fair representation of the people who the show was produced for and through the places they visit, people they meet and changes that's happening in society their views and mindsets change. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 9, 2024 23:06:49 GMT 1
Try re watching Auf Wiedersehen, Pet again. It was great, but on re watching it, it is racist and sexist and has not aged well. It's neither of those things - it's a brilliant series originally made in the 80s reflecting the UK back then. The world changes continually - sometimes for the good sometimes not so. I dare say folks will look back on big brother, I'm a celebrity etc and say the same in 30 yrs. True, but as I said it has not aged well. I would say the same about big brother and I'm a celebrity now. I enjoyed the program, but I found the rewatch difficult. We all change even all fogies like me. You may still enjoy watching it or as an historical view of the past, I think that you will see how we have moved on. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 10, 2024 6:43:43 GMT 1
Off top of my head there’s Only Fools and Horses, Fawlty Towers, Bottom/The Young Ones…loads of great shows that would not be suitable today but still great shows in their own right.
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