Memorabilia

[htsa2011]

Following protracted dialogue, HTSA is pleased to announce that a decision has now formally been taken to sell the memorabilia to Dean Hoyle for the current market value after lengthy dialogue and discussion between HTSA committee, members and the supporters.

This decision has been reached following a 90% majority by HTSA and members in favour of proceeding.

Of those not in favour it wasn't selling to Dean Hoyle that was the actual sticking point, but that of the funding of the statue, or wanting caveats regarding HTSA member input in to what the statue was going to be of, for example, the design, features, and who it's going to be.
Out of the positives 5% talked of the same stipulations on the sale, and could we ask for 1st option to buy back if the chance ever occurred.
As the results show, a majority have voted to sell the memorabilia to part fund the statue. So we, as a committee, will now go back to the club with these decisions.

Part of the original proposals included member input into the statue decisionmaking process and we will advise on all further developments in due course

[Mirfield Lass]

Following on from previous thread's I will be putting the same message out through Facebook (banned at work) tonight giving everybody the chance to know what is happening.

[rooo]

Can I ask, how many members (paid up) responded in total?

[htsa2011]

42

[Deleted]

Is the current market value something that has been determined by an independent valuation of this collection or just the figure HTSA paid for the collection originally?

I read the lengthy thread and there did not seem to be a definitive answer on this?

Of the 90% majority that is spoken about how many actual people is this. What is the total membership of HTSA? How many of that total voted?

[sunflower]

good work by HTSA, in fact i'm going to join now

[Deleted]

Mar 3, 2011 13:50:36 GMT 1 htsa2011 said:

42

So 90% of 42 people have made this decision?

Unbelievable :shake: :shake:

[sunflower]

i'm guessing another 6 pages minimum here ::

[benhomly]

Mar 3, 2011 13:58:09 GMT 1 @donniebrasco said:

Mar 3, 2011 13:50:36 GMT 1 htsa2011 said:

42

So 90% of 42 people have made this decision?

Unbelievable

I think someone's taking the piss here. I can see this one causing some healthy debate!

[LadyHestonTerrier]

All members were offered the chance to have their say, but unfortunately, yes, only 42 decided to act upon it.

[PrestonTerrier]

Mar 3, 2011 13:58:09 GMT 1 @donniebrasco said:

Mar 3, 2011 13:50:36 GMT 1 htsa2011 said:

42

So 90% of 42 people have made this decision?

Unbelievable

37.8 to be exact

[Deleted]

Mar 3, 2011 14:02:32 GMT 1 LadyHestonTerrier said:

All members were offered the chance to have their say, but unfortunately, yes, only 42 decided to act upon it.

How many actual paid up members are there?

[galpharmer76]

I sent an e mail to Bob Pepper explaining that I was against the sale and the way the whole thing had been handled.

Was I only one of four?

[bro600]

The input on this website and opinions of the southern section was also that of around 90% of people agreeing.
Sometimes when asking for people to take action during hard times at HTAFC it is amazing how many people don't respond.
Even when we were in administration in 2003 only 10% of supporters joined the survival trust?? That means that 90% were abstaining or just oblivious to the cause. :: :shake: :shake: :shake:

[marshian]

Does that mean that all the money is definitely going to be used to purchase a statue? Leaving nothing in reserve or for other projects?

Must be, if it's to part fund the statue - so it costs more than the £41,000 odd Deano will be paying HTSA? Is it going to be made of gold or marble or something?

If that's the case I'm afraid HTSA will be losing another member.

I will check facebook/home emails when I get back home for any further details, but those are my initial thoughts.

I appreciate it's a majority decision but am very disappointed.

[bigfatmonkey]

i seem to have missed of this. what statue is going to be made? and where? is it going to be of sir andrew booth?

[benhomly]

Mar 3, 2011 14:04:20 GMT 1 @galpharmer76 said:

I sent an e mail to Bob Pepper explaining that I was against the sale and the way the whole thing had been handled.

Was I only one of four?

I know of one other who voted against it so lets see if we can find the other 2. This could get interesting.

[galpharmer76]

Mar 3, 2011 14:05:01 GMT 1 marshian said:

Does that mean that all the money is definitely going to be used to purchase a statue? Leaving nothing in reserve or for other projects?

Must be, if it's to part fund the statue - so it costs more than the £41,000 odd Deano will be paying HTSA? Is it going to be made of gold or marble or something?

If that's the case I'm afraid HTSA will be losing another member.
I will check facebook/home emails when I get back home for any further details, but those are my initial thoughts.

I appreciate it's a majority decision but am very disappointed.

:appl:

Seems like it's a majority of a minority, with no proper voting process.

[bro600]

I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia.
It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem.
I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future?
Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside.
It really does beggar belief sometime..

[Mastercracker]

Mar 3, 2011 14:11:12 GMT 1 bro600 said:

I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia.
It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem.
I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future?
Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside.
It really does beggar belief sometime..

:appl:

If Dean Hoyle wants the memorabilia solely to decorate his downstairs toilet, that's fine by me.

[galpharmer76]

Mar 3, 2011 14:11:12 GMT 1 bro600 said:

I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia.
It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem.
I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future?
Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside.
It really does beggar belief sometime..

Personally I am not questioning the sale to Deano. I was questioning the valuation of the items, the reason for the sale, the reason why the money had to go to build a statue that in all reality is worth nothing, the reason why a decision had to be made so quickly, the reason why a postal vote of ALL members was not carried out.....................

[bigfatmonkey]

Mar 3, 2011 14:15:59 GMT 1 @galpharmer76 said:

Mar 3, 2011 14:11:12 GMT 1 bro600 said:

I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia.
It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem.
I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future?
Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside.
It really does beggar belief sometime..

Personally I am not questioning the sale to Deano. I was questioning the valuation of the items, the reason for the sale, the reason why the money had to go to build a statue that in all reality is worth nothing, the reason why a decision had to be made so quickly, the reason why a postal vote of ALL members was not carried out.....................

so we are getting a statue? amazing. i've always wanted one of them by the ground, it's something the club is missing

[eastterrace]

I am not a member of HTSA. But surely if only 42 vote, then the non-voters are not bothered one way or the other about selling/keeping the memorabilia. Presumably, that's why they didn't vote. And that's how people behave at council and general elections.

Of more interest is who will decide what the statue is and how it will be chosen. My view is ALL Town fans should have the opportunity to vote on this. One shouldn't have to be a member of HTSA, Patrons etc to have a vote.

[kilnerbanker]

How will HTSA be able to buy back in the future if the money they get is going in to a Statue ?
The Statue will be worth sod all to anyone else

[bridgeterrier]

Mar 3, 2011 14:11:12 GMT 1 bro600 said:

I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia.
It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem.
I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future?
Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside.
It really does beggar belief sometime..

I don't think anyone is questioning Dean Hoyle. I think most have questioned how HTSA came to this decision.

Is that right 42people responded?

Can i ask why the HTSA didn't bring to light the subject of selling the Memorabilia before Xmas when they were first approached by the club and why did they have a change of heart in the New Year?

By the way from what i'm told the club was going to go ahead with a statue whatever the outcome of the sale/non sale but they thought it would be a nice touch to have a plaque at the bottom explaining that the HTSA had made a significant donation towards it.

[hense7ent]

Mar 3, 2011 14:25:23 GMT 1 bridgeterrier said:

By the way from what i'm told the club was going to go ahead with a statue whatever the outcome of the sale/non sale but they thought it would be a nice touch to have a plaque at the bottom explaining that the HTSA had made a significant donation towards it.

Who told you that - that puts a whole different slant on things.



PS - I was told the statue was going to be a statue made from ice of 'Stone Cold Joey Gudjohnsson'...a common method of honour in his homeland.

[Scissett Terrier!]

handled disgracefully!

Bro as bridge said no ones questioning Dean but when he gets kissed to death by jimmymac when we get promoted and theres no legal paper work putting it back to the club/fans what happens then?

also on the last thread some members of the htsa commitee said there would be a vote on this and this was only feedback. what happened to the vote?

[LadyHestonTerrier]

Mar 3, 2011 15:07:51 GMT 1 Scissett Terrier! said:

handled disgracefully!

Bro as bridge said no ones questioning Dean but when he gets kissed to death by jimmymac when we get promoted and theres no legal paper work putting it back to the club/fans what happens then?

also on the last thread some members of the htsa commitee said there would be a vote on this and this was only feedback. what happened to the vote?

Scissett, I met you last Saturday and you had the perfect opportunity to grill me on the subject then, And I would have gladly answered anything I could. why didn't you?

How do you know Dean Hoyle hasn't any legal paperwork drawn up for this project? Do you know something no one else does?

As for the vote, it was the committee who voted on whether to sell or not. As that vote was a majority it was then put out for all members to get involved and have their say on the matter. If the majority had voted against the sale then things would be different. But they didn't.

[bridgeterrier]

Mar 3, 2011 15:02:42 GMT 1 @hense7ent said:

Mar 3, 2011 14:25:23 GMT 1 bridgeterrier said:

By the way from what i'm told the club was going to go ahead with a statue whatever the outcome of the sale/non sale but they thought it would be a nice touch to have a plaque at the bottom explaining that the HTSA had made a significant donation towards it.

Who told you that - that puts a whole different slant on things.



PS - I was told the statue was going to be a statue made from ice of 'Stone Cold Joey Gudjohnsson'...a common method of honour in his homeland.

One of these two fellas but i'll leave it up to you to guess which.

[rooo]

Mar 3, 2011 14:07:47 GMT 1 benhomly said:

Mar 3, 2011 14:04:20 GMT 1 @galpharmer76 said:

I sent an e mail to Bob Pepper explaining that I was against the sale and the way the whole thing had been handled.

Was I only one of four?

I know of one other who voted against it so lets see if we can find the other 2. This could get interesting.

I was one, only 1.2 more to find

Bro, as has been previously mentioned, I was not opposed to the sale of the memorabilia to Mr Hoyle (or questioning his stewardship) but totally against the condition put on the sale (i.e. the funding of a statue and any other club projects). There were 2 completely separate issues taking place here and both should have been looked at individually.

I was also pointing out that HTSA could, if they wanted, have given this issue more exposure and sooner with a proper vote (of paid up members) and/or EGM. We are talking about £41,500 here, not a couple of hundred quid.