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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 3, 2011 19:06:55 GMT 1
That must be the 4 of us traced then. Does anybody know if the full 41k is being pissed up the wall put into the statue? I'm guessing the full £41k will go on the statue and if the £41k isnt enough the club will make up the shortfall. So, as fans, we had something worth 41k, something that would increase in value, probably. We will, in the near future have a statue, that is worth its weight in metal. Could HTSA let us know who the statue will be of, and where it will be placed, once they have decided. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 19:11:43 GMT 1
I'm guessing the full £41k will go on the statue and if the £41k isnt enough the club will make up the shortfall. So, as fans, we had something worth 41k, something that would increase in value, probably. We will, in the near future have a statue, that is worth its weight in metal. Could HTSA let us know who the statue will be of, and where it will be placed, once they have decided. Im guessing the committee will vote and decide, then ask for feedback. Seems the done thing... |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 3, 2011 19:21:44 GMT 1
I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia. It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem. I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future? Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside. It really does beggar belief sometime.. Spot on :appl: Some people need to get a life! |
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Mar 3, 2011 19:30:19 GMT 1
I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia. It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem. I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future? Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside. It really does beggar belief sometime.. Spot on  Some people need to get a life! Seconded Pete. Some utter morons about! :shake: |
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 19:32:59 GMT 1
No ones questioning that Dean will do the right thing re: the memorabilia are they?  Its more the haphazard "voting" process, the rushed timeline, no clarity on figures, the stipulation this money HAS to go towards a statue etc.... |
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 3, 2011 19:35:06 GMT 1
No ones questioning that Dean will do the right thing re: the memorabilia are they? Its more the haphazard "voting" process, the rushed timeline, no clarity on figures, the stipulation this money HAS to go towards a statue etc.... Seconded. Nobody has questioned Dean that I can see. |
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Post by Frightened Corner Flag on Mar 3, 2011 19:37:56 GMT 1
As i've missed a big stage in this i'll ask here. How did HTSA get the memorabilia in the first place and at what cost? where did this money come from? cheers Jon anybody? |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Mar 3, 2011 19:48:41 GMT 1
No ones questioning that Dean will do the right thing re: the memorabilia are they? Its more the haphazard "voting" process, the rushed timeline, no clarity on figures, the stipulation this money HAS to go towards a statue etc.... Correct :appl: Did each and every member get something in the post to ask the to vote yes or no? You can't possibly take a vote of members by doing a "feedback" thread on here and not everyone buys the Examiner. Only 42 bothered to vote, surely they had more members than that on the last HTSA away trip(before the vote was decided) |
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 3, 2011 19:52:21 GMT 1
No ones questioning that Dean will do the right thing re: the memorabilia are they? Its more the haphazard "voting" process, the rushed timeline, no clarity on figures, the stipulation this money HAS to go towards a statue etc.... Correct Did each and every member get something in the post to ask the to vote yes or no? You can't possibly take a vote of members by doing a "feedback" thread on here and not everyone buys the Examiner. Only 42 bothered to vote, surely they had more members than that on the last HTSA away trip(before the vote was decided) Amended, there has been no vote. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 19:58:47 GMT 1
Heres my post from the original thread: Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=54553&page=2#ixzz1FZ3Zmp41This was the email recieved: Smith Memorabilia It has been proposed that Dean Hoyle buy back the Smith Memorabilia and that HTSA then make the money available for one or more suitable Club projects, the most notable suggestion being the erection of a statue outside the stadium, which would be suitably inscribed to acknowledge the contribution made by Town fans. We are being asked to make a quick decision on this. The Committee would appreciate your feedback on this as a matter of some urgency, ideally before noon, Friday. Please note that this is a genuine HTSA email. Technical problems have meant the omission of the usual template. Hardly the clearest email stating this was your one and only chance to vote is it?   And nowhere does it state that the vote had already been carried out by the committee and a decision HAD already been made... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 20:04:53 GMT 1
Seems to be a lot of unanswered questions yet again:
Here are mine:
How many fully paid up members are there of HTSA?
How did the 42 members who voted/gave their opinion do so?
How were the rest of the membership contacted and invited to vote/ give opinion?
Do HTSA represent the membership of HTSA or Town fans as a whole?
How do an unelected commitee have a mandate to make decisions?
Is there a HTSA constitution?
How can a unelected comittee and 42 HTSA members make a decision about something that belongs to previous, present and future generations of Huddersfield Town fans?
What if anything will be done in the future to make sure key issues amd decisions are communicated and debated amongst HTSA memebers and more importantly the wider Town fanbase?
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 3, 2011 20:08:16 GMT 1
Mission Statement
To Represent ALL supporters of Huddersfield Town Football Club
Aims & Objectives
To have a democratically elected Committee to progress and maintain the philosophy of all supporters views - now and in the future.bb
To regularly seek the views of the supporters of Huddersfield Town Football Club and act upon them.
To regularly meet with the Club to discuss all pertinent issues and to continue to build on the relationship between the Club and it's supporters.
To provide insurance cover on the way to football matches.
To attempt to form, encourage and support (where interest lies) Regional supporters groups who can have input/representation to the Association.
To use modern technology and have regular meetings with supporters online giving exiles the chance to have their say.
Regular newsletters via e-mail and where required leaflets to keep supporters updated.
To support and encourage a Supporters fanzine which can also keep supporters updated.
To keep up-to date with national supporters group FSF and Supporters direct so that anything beneficial to football supporters can be embraced by HTFC and it's supporters.
To liase with the community and promote the family club that is Huddersfield Town in a good light and in co-operation with the club.
To strive for an explanation and possible resolution to the share issue that HTFC supporters are aware of surrounding The Galpharm Stadium or to continue to monitor the same.
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 3, 2011 20:13:21 GMT 1
Memorabilia
HTAFC keen to progress this. Proposed that Dean Hoyle will buy the Billy Smith memorabilia from HTSA then loan it to HTAFC. In return, HTSA to contribute to funding for Statue project with a Steering Group to be set up, to include Supporter reps. This has to be referred to the membership for approval.
Taken from the Dec 2010 minutes.
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Post by bro600 on Mar 3, 2011 20:52:39 GMT 1
Seems to be a lot of unanswered questions yet again: Here are mine: How many fully paid up members are there of HTSA? Around 870 ..But i will ask someone who knows.How did the 42 members who voted/gave their opinion do so? By e-mail response.How were the rest of the membership contacted and invited to vote/ give opinion? HTSA thought that DATM, facebook, some e-mail lists and The Examiner would cover most supporters and were seeking a consensus.Do HTSA represent the membership of HTSA or Town fans as a whole? We try and represent Town fans as a whole.. If a supporter as a problem he wouldn't be turned away.How do an unelected commitee have a mandate to make decisions? Because there as been a call for volunteers to come forward and join the Committee but alas it's not a well paid job.Is there a HTSA constitution? HTSA as the aims and objectives as set out below in the following post and is affiliated to supporters direct as mentioned in an earlier post.How can a unelected comittee and 42 HTSA members make a decision about something that belongs to previous, present and future generations of Huddersfield Town fans? I n the same manner a local council calls a meeting and asks for a show of hands at the end i presume.What if anything will be done in the future to make sure key issues amd decisions are communicated and debated amongst HTSA memebers and more importantly the wider Town fanbase? |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 3, 2011 20:53:19 GMT 1
Seems to be a lot of unanswered questions yet again: Here are mine: How many fully paid up members are there of HTSA? How did the 42 members who voted/gave their opinion do so? How were the rest of the membership contacted and invited to vote/ give opinion? Do HTSA represent the membership of HTSA or Town fans as a whole? How do an unelected commitee have a mandate to make decisions? Is there a HTSA constitution? How can a unelected comittee and 42 HTSA members make a decision about something that belongs to previous, present and future generations of Huddersfield Town fans? What if anything will be done in the future to make sure key issues amd decisions are communicated and debated amongst HTSA memebers and more importantly the wider Town fanbase? the bit i love the best is they didn't even know what the deal for the collection was they were asking feedback on. |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 3, 2011 20:59:02 GMT 1
I can\t honestly believe that some supporters don't trust Dean to do the right thing regarding the memorabilia. It seems it's ok for him to risk his small fortune on trying to get HTAFC where we all think they belong but when HTSA are asking if we should sell to Dean and then Dean will leave the memorabilia to HTAFC then supporters have a problem. I've had debates with supporters asking what if Dean dies and what if we need money sometime in the future? Well all i can say is that it is a good job Dean didn't have as much apprehension when he bought the club and is now investing heavily into the legacy which will be the canalside. It really does beggar belief sometime.. Spot on Some people need to get a life! easy to say isnt it. lets change the stakes and say this was the stadium shares. would you just be happy to have nothing in place to ensure they are handed back to the club after dean leaves? i know bro wouldn't be hes said as much, so if the collection is going to be left back to the fans whats wrong having it in writing? without who knows where the collection could end up. i'm not questioning dean but if he did drop dead tomorrow and nothing is in place what happens? there is a massive part of our history there and as far as i'm aware its the only 3 championship winners medals and fa cup winners medal the fans have potential access to. nice to have that for us to look at never mind the future generations. |
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 3, 2011 21:00:04 GMT 1
This has to be referred to the membership for approval.
Surely this would suggest taking a vote, not a consensus of opinion taken from 42 e mail responses?
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 3, 2011 21:01:45 GMT 1
How were the rest of the membership contacted and invited to vote/ give opinion? HTSA thought that DATM, facebook, some e-mail lists and The Examiner would cover most supporters and were seeking a consensus.] But HTSA stated on here they they didn't use facebook because basically they didnt see the point. |
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Post by sunflower on Mar 3, 2011 21:04:11 GMT 1
It's a shame it's come to this, only when a decision is made then a lot of people start complaining. It's been going on for a couple of weeks this has, plenty time for those against it to get together and drum up some proper opposition. But instead they remain (mostly) silent until it appears to be too late. Apathy amongst the membership is obviously the reason why only 42 people expressed an opinion, until now. These people on the htsa committee have only done what they think is best, not for any reward.
Personally I'm not bothered about the memorabilia, great that it is , it's in the past and means very little to our current status, and a statue would be ok but I'm not that bothered about that either....
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Mar 3, 2011 21:05:04 GMT 1
It is everyones right to an opinion but the ones with really strong opinion(Galpharmer/Scisset) why not take Bro up on his offer and get involved and make your point from the inside not just seem to moan about it all on here.
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 21:05:23 GMT 1
I wouldnt mind but Had this gone to a proper yes/no vote its more than likely it would have ended up in the same conclusion. Its just sheer amateur how its been dealt with. I realise the people involved do this as a favour and for little reward but I put on page 2 of the memorabilia thread that this WASNT a vote and if they used it as a vote then all hell would break loose.
It could have been nipped in the bud then and dealt with properly..
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Post by bro600 on Mar 3, 2011 21:05:58 GMT 1
No they didn't Scissett..
Sian who does the facebook side of things asked the chairperson if she should post something on facebook at a particular time of day as she was going out.
At that time nothing had been decided so the chair told her to wait.
The following day Sian came on DATM and said she hadn't posted anything on facebook because she was told not to.
As i tried to explain on the other memorabilia thread.
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 21:08:36 GMT 1
It's a shame it's come to this, only when a decision is made then a lot of people start complaining. It's been going on for a couple of weeks this has, plenty time for those against it to get together and drum up some proper opposition. But instead they remain (mostly) silent until it appears to be too late. Apathy amongst the membership is obviously the reason why only 42 people expressed an opinion, until now. These people on the htsa committee have only done what they think is best, not for any reward. Personally I'm not bothered about the memorabilia, great that it is , it's in the past and means very little to our current status, and a statue would be ok but I'm not that bothered about that either.... You read that email I posted Paul? Does that sound like a organised yes /no vote to you? Maybe if people had realised this was their only chance to vote and not some half arsed feedback request then maybe more would have responded. As Bob put himself in the email it wasnt even on an official HTSA template. All smacks of a rushed job on whats probably HTSA's most important decision to date.. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2011 21:09:38 GMT 1
No they didn't Scissett.. Sian who does the facebook side of things asked the chairperson if she should post something on facebook at a particular time of day as she was going out. At that time nothing had been decided so the chair told her to wait. The following day Sian came on DATM and said she hadn't posted anything on facebook because she was told not to. As i tried to explain on the other memorabilia thread. IIRC it was decided not to post on facebook as not everyone on the HTSA page was a fully paid up member... |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 3, 2011 21:13:28 GMT 1
No they didn't Scissett.. Sian who does the facebook side of things asked the chairperson if she should post something on facebook at a particular time of day as she was going out. At that time nothing had been decided so the chair told her to wait. The following day Sian came on DATM and said she hadn't posted anything on facebook because she was told not to. As i tried to explain on the other memorabilia thread. No Sian and sally talked and decided that most people on facebook were nto even members so why bother. basically because it was viewed as pointless. Sian or sally state that on the other thread. All communication should go out to all channels! but you know my thoughts on that, HTSA would look alot better if it did follow that principle. |
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Post by bro600 on Mar 3, 2011 21:14:00 GMT 1
Correct Bolton..
The debate going on by e-mail at that time by the committee was based on membership only being consulted or all possible supporters.
I then posted on here.
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Post by marshian on Mar 3, 2011 21:15:21 GMT 1
Apathy among the members? At least some of us ARE members and have had our say via email only to get shot down by certain people on here when we repeat our opinions. I do feel sorry for the committee members, thankless job with an issue like this, and as for joining the committee, I thought there'd been an influx of newer, younger people recently. However words like 'friggin' and 'utter morons' are way out of order and ought to be retracted. £41,500 for a statute of ? which will no doubt get trashed when our friends down the road learn about it. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 3, 2011 21:20:04 GMT 1
It's a shame it's come to this, only when a decision is made then a lot of people start complaining. It's been going on for a couple of weeks this has, plenty time for those against it to get together and drum up some proper opposition. But instead they remain (mostly) silent until it appears to be too late. Apathy amongst the membership is obviously the reason why only 42 people expressed an opinion, until now. These people on the htsa committee have only done what they think is best, not for any reward. Personally I'm not bothered about the memorabilia, great that it is , it's in the past and means very little to our current status, and a statue would be ok but I'm not that bothered about that either.... Spot on :appl: some people need to get a life! |
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Post by sunflower on Mar 3, 2011 21:20:31 GMT 1
It's a shame it's come to this, only when a decision is made then a lot of people start complaining. It's been going on for a couple of weeks this has, plenty time for those against it to get together and drum up some proper opposition. But instead they remain (mostly) silent until it appears to be too late. Apathy amongst the membership is obviously the reason why only 42 people expressed an opinion, until now. These people on the htsa committee have only done what they think is best, not for any reward. Personally I'm not bothered about the memorabilia, great that it is , it's in the past and means very little to our current status, and a statue would be ok but I'm not that bothered about that either.... You read that email I posted Paul? Does that sound like a organised yes /no vote to you? Maybe if people had realised this was their only chance to vote and not some half arsed feedback request then maybe more would have responded. As Bob put himself in the email it wasnt even on an official HTSA template. All smacks of a rushed job on whats probably HTSA's most important decision to date.. I didn't see it Adam, and you are probably right in that it's all be done a bit rushed. I don't want to take sides as I've no preference to statue or memorabilia, I just don't like to see 6 pages of sniping between Town fans and at other Town fans who are trying their best to run a supporters association. Is there time still to do something??? |
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Post by terracesider on Mar 3, 2011 21:23:09 GMT 1
As i've missed a big stage in this i'll ask here. How did HTSA get the memorabilia in the first place and at what cost? where did this money come from? cheers Jon anybody? Not an "insider" or an expert on these matters but this is my memory of how this came about: 1) The club went bust at the end of 02/03 season 2) Donations were collected (including from myself) to "save the club" - that's the original £40k (ish) 3) for a variety of reasons these funds were not given directly to the club - as I and other that I spoke to at the time felt that they ought to have been. 4) A long period of distrust between the supporters club (by any other name) and the then owner precluded any movement of the funds.... 5) the memorabilia came up for sale and was eventually purchased by the supporters club, who now have ownership of said memorabilia. Hope this clarifies the situation and doesn't start another series of bullets flying  UTT |
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