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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 3, 2011 23:24:25 GMT 1
i was sat at the front and its not me thats complained. looking forward to the tunes on saturday :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :udders: :beer: |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 23:34:15 GMT 1
just make sure it is turned up FULL blast... no matter how loud.. can only enjoy it then. And get some good tunes that are catchy  ... oh... and Barbrastriesland (apart from it's Hudderrrrr-sss-field!) |
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 4, 2011 0:13:04 GMT 1
Why do people react against criticism by saying 'you go on the committee then'?
I am not on the HTSA committee because I have a family and other interests, including being on the committee of a club. I can tell you that I would not be able to authorise anything near what HTSA are doing, without calling an EGM or balloting all the members.
I agree with Dean buying the stuff, but the valuation seems very sketchy. I strongly disagree about what will be done with the funds from the sale.
Surely HTSA have to take a vote of all their members if they plan to plough up to 41k into a statue?
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Post by mids on Mar 4, 2011 8:52:24 GMT 1
HTSA are effectively liquidating their assets whilst allowing the full impressive collection to stay within the 'Hudds Town family' Tick HTSA will then have funds to give to/invest in club projects (as was always the intention when the money was raised) Tick It may be used towards a statue. It may not. Ideas change. But whatever its call the merits of it will be debated I'm sure. Tick Some people moaned when the memorabilia was bought. Some people moaned when it is now being sold. Some people (KSNE) did both. You'll never please every person all of the time. Tick HTSA would probably love to represent every Town fan. But as has been pointed out plenty of times (quite rightly) they can't and they never will. We all have different opinions and some people don't want to be represented. Tick So HTSA did what they thought was best, under timescales they had to work with (partly of their own doing), and emailed every current member (and some past members) they had an email address for. It was in the examiner asking people to give feedback. Granted this should have said vote. It was debated to death on here (the biggest Town forum). Without going to the expense of writing to every member, what more could they do? Tick As a committee do they need to seek the opinion of every member, or do they represent their members? They haven't been formally elected as such as there's never been enough people willing enough to sit on the committee to make an election worthwhile.  The value of the memorabilia is irrelevant if the money's going to be going back to the club in one form or another anyway. If HTSA asked for £100k, and Dean paid £100k, then that money would go to the club at some point anyway. Effectively, Dean's giving a sum of money to the club, and in the process liquidating HTSA's reserve cash which has always been intended to go to the club, and acquiring a collection of memorabilia that he will ensure is displayed properly, and will in likelihood be left to the fans anyway. Tick In short your damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. HTSA haven't organised or handled this situation well at all. I'm sure they'll improve. They'll have to. However, some of the snarling & sniping at them has been over the top. They aint criminals. Nobody's died here. It's some memorabilia being sold from a supporters group to the chairman who is a revered fan. Dean and the club will do the right thing - after all they have done pretty well so far. Tick The deal should be concluded asap, lessons learned, a line drawn in the sand, and then we can all move onto the more importnat business of supporting our football club onto promotion. :udders: |
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Post by rooo on Mar 4, 2011 9:36:24 GMT 1
I agree 100% with your last paragraph, a line does need to be drawn now. There is nothing that can be done now. However, lessons weren't learnt when the memorabilia was purchased (as there was no vote) and all these discussions took place then as now (which I think is KSNE's position in this) because the committee went down exactly the same path this time (secret deals, decision made by committee, tell the members with a short time-line for feedback, sounds familiar?). Most of the current committee I congratulate for their hard work however there are one or two who, I have now realised, are in it for the kudos and the ability to be "in the know" before us mere mortals. I think, as I have mentioned before, that HTSA should be more of a supporters union, speaking on behalf of the members (not the supporters as a whole, it only costs £5 a year to be a member). Just a quick question, if the money raised was always intended to go to the club, why wasn't it given to Uncle Ken when Andrew Watson asked for it in 2004 (?) ? As for all those ticks you've got, Mids I'm sure you can get ointment for them |
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Post by bro600 on Mar 4, 2011 9:44:22 GMT 1
Just a quick question, if the money raised was always intended to go to the club, why wasn't it given to Uncle Ken when Andrew Watson asked for it in 2004 (?) ?
Because Ken Davys reason for taking over the club was to look after the well being of KSDL and The Giants at the request of KMC.
Also early on in his tenure as chairman he made it quite clear he wouldn't entertain the Supporters Trust.
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Post by ksne on Mar 4, 2011 10:49:00 GMT 1
HTSA are effectively liquidating their assets whilst allowing the full impressive collection to stay within the 'Hudds Town family' Tick HTSA will then have funds to give to/invest in club projects (as was always the intention when the money was raised) Tick It may be used towards a statue. It may not. Ideas change. But whatever its call the merits of it will be debated I'm sure. Tick Some people moaned when the memorabilia was bought. Some people moaned when it is now being sold. Some people (KSNE) did both. You'll never please every person all of the time. Tick HTSA would probably love to represent every Town fan. But as has been pointed out plenty of times (quite rightly) they can't and they never will. We all have different opinions and some people don't want to be represented. Tick So HTSA did what they thought was best, under timescales they had to work with (partly of their own doing), and emailed every current member (and some past members) they had an email address for. It was in the examiner asking people to give feedback. Granted this should have said vote. It was debated to death on here (the biggest Town forum). Without going to the expense of writing to every member, what more could they do? Tick As a committee do they need to seek the opinion of every member, or do they represent their members? They haven't been formally elected as such as there's never been enough people willing enough to sit on the committee to make an election worthwhile. The value of the memorabilia is irrelevant if the money's going to be going back to the club in one form or another anyway. If HTSA asked for £100k, and Dean paid £100k, then that money would go to the club at some point anyway. Effectively, Dean's giving a sum of money to the club, and in the process liquidating HTSA's reserve cash which has always been intended to go to the club, and acquiring a collection of memorabilia that he will ensure is displayed properly, and will in likelihood be left to the fans anyway. Tick In short your damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. HTSA haven't organised or handled this situation well at all. I'm sure they'll improve. They'll have to. However, some of the snarling & sniping at them has been over the top. They aint criminals. Nobody's died here. It's some memorabilia being sold from a supporters group to the chairman who is a revered fan. Dean and the club will do the right thing - after all they have done pretty well so far. Tick The deal should be concluded asap, lessons learned, a line drawn in the sand, and then we can all move onto the more importnat business of supporting our football club onto promotion.  Singled out over my discontent :ranting: Yes you are correct that I was not in favour of the WAY that the stuff was bought in the first place. Whey hey they and You went on and voted for the deed anyway in a very UNDEMOCRATRIC manner. So then having spent me mine and many others monies without proper consultation the HSTA now decide to sell them( I`ve no problem with the buyer) without getting them RE-VALUED and once again without a true DEMOCRATIC vote. So to finish the whole situation stinks of mismanagement from start to finish.Mismanagement that you were an intial part of!! KSNE has HER opinion and say but am I in your world allowed to do so.Appears not. |
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Post by bridgeterrier on Mar 4, 2011 11:28:24 GMT 1
It may be used towards a statue. It may not. Ideas change. But whatever its call the merits of it will be debated I'm sure.
I was told by the club it was a condition of the sale to contribute to the statue
So HTSA did what they thought was best, under timescales they had to work with (partly of their own doing), and emailed every current member (and some past members) they had an email address for.
And roughly what is that figure?
It was in the examiner asking people to give feedback. Granted this should have said vote. It was debated to death on here (the biggest Town forum). Without going to the expense of writing to every member, what more could they do?
They should've done that
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Post by benhomly on Mar 4, 2011 12:25:51 GMT 1
Now this sorry, badly managed mess is just about done and dusted I agree that we should start again with a clean slate. I dread to think what the family of Billy Smith think of what's going on here, it must have been a very difficult decision for them to make to sell the stuff in the first place. I just hope that the new committee aren't just a bunch of yes men who will bow to the pressures of whatever the club say in the future, because that's what it appears they've done in this case.
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Post by Mirfield Lass on Mar 4, 2011 13:08:37 GMT 1
As per further up the board, I just thought I would let people know that the original message on this thread hasn't yet gone out through facebook yet as it seems to be playing up!
I sent the message out 3 times last night plus Sally had a go but it seems to have got lost in cyber space :ranting:
We will keep trying to send it today but the lack of communication on facebook isn't our fault this time! :spaz:
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Post by LadyHestonTerrier on Mar 4, 2011 14:32:54 GMT 1
Now this sorry, badly managed mess is just about done and dusted I agree that we should start again with a clean slate. I dread to think what the family of Billy Smith think of what's going on here, it must have been a very difficult decision for them to make to sell the stuff in the first place. I just hope that the new committee aren't just a bunch of yes men who will bow to the pressures of whatever the club say in the future, because that's what it appears they've done in this case. Robert Smith, the Grandson of Billy Smith is 100% behind us in the sale of the memorabilia, and is keen to help in any way he can. |
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Post by htsa2011 on Mar 4, 2011 14:39:07 GMT 1
Good Afternoon,
The HTSA is constituted as an Industrial & Provident Society and is governed by a rule set recommended by the Co-operative Society for such organisations.
This Rule Set does not preclude the HTSA Board from making a decision to sell (or procure, for that matter) an asset, e.g., the Smith Memorabilia.
In ideal circumstances, however, such a decision would be made after balloting the membership. This was not possible in the time constraints imposed on us and so we tried to consult as widely as possible in the time available before coming to a decision, which was finally made after noon on Friday Feb 25th. This has now been communicated to the Club and a meeting has subsequently been arranged for Friday March 11th, which should be an opportunity to agree the finer points of the transaction. Following that we should be in a position to make a further statement, possibly also arranging an open meeting for Town supporters.
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Post by marshian on Mar 4, 2011 14:41:48 GMT 1
why was it necessary to impose time constraints?
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 4, 2011 14:42:38 GMT 1
What are the 'finer points'  |
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Post by LadyHestonTerrier on Mar 4, 2011 14:50:54 GMT 1
why was it necessary to impose time constraints? I'll answer this one honestly as LBT. We spent too much time fannying about with the idea, and didn't act upon it when we had the time to do so. *This is my own personal opinion and not neccessarily that of other committee members. |
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Post by bro600 on Mar 4, 2011 14:53:37 GMT 1
why was it necessary to impose time constraints? As far as i know when HTSA voted "NO" in the 1st instance the club moved on to progress with plans for a viewing of club owned memorabilia at The Canalside. When HTSA asked for time to re-consider after getting more information the club informed HTSA of this and a deadline for a decision was set. |
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Post by LadyHestonTerrier on Mar 4, 2011 14:55:20 GMT 1
What are the 'finer points' they will be the who, what, where, when, how much etc. These, imho are discussions that can not be done with the club via email. A meeting has been arranged for next Friday 11th March to sort all this out. Once we have all this information it will be distributed via the usual methods. |
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Post by fiatlux on Mar 4, 2011 14:55:36 GMT 1
Good Grief....
Wheel Tappers and Shunters stuff .
I hope it is one out , all out.
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 4, 2011 14:58:02 GMT 1
What are the 'finer points' they will be the who, what, where, when, how much etc. These, imho are discussions that can not be done with the club via email. A meeting has been arranged for next Friday 11th March to sort all this out. Once we have all this information it will be distributed via the usual methods. So the stuff is sold, but we don't know how much for? Am I the only one to find this absolutely amazing? We also don't know if the money has to be put into a statue? |
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Post by bro600 on Mar 4, 2011 15:00:11 GMT 1
The stuff is sold for face value.
In football terms face value for a ticket for instance is what you paid for it.
How much do you want to charge Dean?
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Post by galpharmer76 on Mar 4, 2011 15:02:27 GMT 1
The stuff is sold for face value. In football terms face value for a ticket for instance is what you paid for it. How much do you want to charge Dean? I would assume he would pay the value of the memorabilia when he bought it, not a value from a few years ago. Would anybody on HTSA like to buy my car, I bought it for 6k a few years back, probably only worth 2k now, but I'll take the 6k that I paid for it? |
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Post by shelbourne on Mar 4, 2011 15:04:59 GMT 1
Why do HTSA consider themselves representative of all town fans?
They have a smallish number of members and seem to do a good job organising away days travel for those fans who go to the away games, good on those fans that do
Sorry but apart from this and an arranging p*ss ups and sing songs during travel they do nothing for the majority of town fans
Perhaps they should think about renaming themselves because I`m a supporter and they do nothing for me
I wouldn`t want their job for a pension but they obviously do mad buggers
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Post by shelbourne on Mar 4, 2011 15:06:23 GMT 1
The stuff is sold for face value. In football terms face value for a ticket for instance is what you paid for it. How much do you want to charge Dean? did no one consider getting its value checked? |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Mar 4, 2011 15:09:51 GMT 1
Good Afternoon, The HTSA is constituted as an Industrial & Provident Society and is governed by a rule set recommended by the Co-operative Society for such organisations. This Rule Set does not preclude the HTSA Board from making a decision to sell (or procure, for that matter) an asset, e.g., the Smith Memorabilia. In ideal circumstances, however, such a decision would be made after balloting the membership. This was not possible in the time constraints imposed on us and so we tried to consult as widely as possible in the time available before coming to a decision, which was finally made after noon on Friday Feb 25th. This has now been communicated to the Club and a meeting has subsequently been arranged for Friday March 11th, which should be an opportunity to agree the finer points of the transaction. Following that we should be in a position to make a further statement, possibly also arranging an open meeting for Town supporters. Sally Peckett HTSA Chair Does HTSA have a constitution if so where can it be found ? |
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Post by bro600 on Mar 4, 2011 15:19:42 GMT 1
Personally i took into consideration a few points in my argument for giving it to Dean at face value.
I took into consideration what the buyer had done for my football club.
I then listened to him guarantee that he'd leave it with my football club on his departure.
I then considered that HTSA is Huddersfield Town Supporters Association and should therefore play and pay for it's part in what is a partnership with The football club.
HTSA in my opinion as had good value asking for management and players to attend it's meetings and the club encourage HTSA to ask for meetings or send grievances to them.
IMO I would have presented the memorabilia to Dean as a gift if possible.
Dean is building what he calls a "legacy" down at the Canalside and i hope that HTSA can be part of that legacy.
Selling the memorabilia at face value to Dean Hoyle and supporters have trouble with that?? Are you sure?
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Post by towny1962 on Mar 4, 2011 15:40:00 GMT 1
Personally i took into consideration a few points in my argument for giving it to Dean at face value. I took into consideration what the buyer had done for my football club. I then listened to him guarantee that he'd leave it with my football club on his departure. I then considered that HTSA is Huddersfield Town Supporters Association and should therefore play and pay for it's part in what is a partnership with The football club. HTSA in my opinion as had good value asking for management and players to attend it's meetings and the club encourage HTSA to ask for meetings or send grievances to them. IMO I would have presented the memorabilia to Dean as a gift if possible. Dean is building what he calls a "legacy" down at the Canalside and i hope that HTSA can be part of that legacy. Selling the memorabilia at face value to Dean Hoyle and supporters have trouble with that?? Are you sure? :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: Its about time we all moved on, I really pity the HTSA committee as they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I wonder if all these 'moaners' on here who have so much to say when some of them aren't even members of the HTSA would consider joining and putting them selves up for election ? Somehow I doubt that would happen. Personnaly I think that the right decision has been made and as to who the statue is of or where it is positioned is something that should be handled/balloted on via the clubs official web site/examiner pages. |
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Post by LadyHestonTerrier on Mar 4, 2011 15:51:42 GMT 1
Good Afternoon, The HTSA is constituted as an Industrial & Provident Society and is governed by a rule set recommended by the Co-operative Society for such organisations. This Rule Set does not preclude the HTSA Board from making a decision to sell (or procure, for that matter) an asset, e.g., the Smith Memorabilia. In ideal circumstances, however, such a decision would be made after balloting the membership. This was not possible in the time constraints imposed on us and so we tried to consult as widely as possible in the time available before coming to a decision, which was finally made after noon on Friday Feb 25th. This has now been communicated to the Club and a meeting has subsequently been arranged for Friday March 11th, which should be an opportunity to agree the finer points of the transaction. Following that we should be in a position to make a further statement, possibly also arranging an open meeting for Town supporters. Sally Peckett HTSA Chair Does HTSA have a constitution if so where can it be found ? I've attached the Constitution on here (if it works!) Also you can read it on our website in the downloads section. |
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Post by chopper on Mar 4, 2011 20:39:10 GMT 1
Thank you one and all for debating Grandads and Dads Memorabilia. It has confirmed to us Smiths that we DID make the right choice in selling to HTSA rather than some unknowns!
Our main hope now is that you will all enjoy this truely wonderful collection asap.To see only a small part of this on display at Preston was one of the best moments of my life.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2011 21:26:10 GMT 1
Thank you one and all for debating Grandads and Dads Memorabilia. It has confirmed to us Smiths that we DID make the right choice in selling to HTSA rather than some unknowns! Our main hope now is that you will all enjoy this truely wonderful collection asap.To see only a small part of this on display at Preston was one of the best moments of my life. I feel embarrassed that you've had to read this thread. I'm with HTSA, Mids, Bro and all the others who feel comfortable in trusting the memorabilia to Deano. Some people on this thread just like the look of their own words and maybe should consider taking up train-spotting instead of watching football. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 4, 2011 21:27:35 GMT 1
The stuff is sold for face value. In football terms face value for a ticket for instance is what you paid for it. How much do you want to charge Dean? I would assume he would pay the value of the memorabilia when he bought it, not a value from a few years ago. Would anybody on HTSA like to buy my car, I bought it for 6k a few years back, probably only worth 2k now, but I'll take the 6k that I paid for it? So maybe we've ripped our Chairman off and it's worth less now? |
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