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Post by TerrierArmy on Nov 20, 2011 17:59:54 GMT 1
This is from the chairmen of HTSA Can anyone who witnessed the incident either for against the supporter send the details to chair@htsa-online.co.uk . If the supporter who was ejected could also add his e-mail that would be great. We will look into it and get some feedback. See this thread for incident details, maybe you can help? downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=62448 |
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Post by Spunker on Nov 20, 2011 19:20:54 GMT 1
Done.
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Post by pozza on Nov 20, 2011 20:16:57 GMT 1
I'll one tomorrow when I have access to a PC
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Post by HAXBY TERRIER on Nov 20, 2011 21:56:38 GMT 1
its a fecking joke at town, week in week out we see fans at grounds up and down the country standing up the whole game, this is a subject that really grates on me, and the fact that at many grounds around the country the no mans land between opposing supporters is a lline of stewards or police at town its nearly a whole stand, i hardly ever go to home matches anymore because despite loving town and travelling all over the country to watch them for 35 years the experience of a home match is SHITE
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Post by Marshleeds on Nov 21, 2011 11:19:03 GMT 1
Rivalries aside for a moment .....very similar at Leeds home games Gestapo Stewards ruining it for everybody even telling you to sit down when your teams attacking or even after they have scored.
This was compounded even further when we see the Crowd Drinking, Smoking, Standing without question at the England v Australia Rugby League Game at Elland Road on Saturday Tea-time. All wrong football supporters at alot of grounds are becoming increasingly agitated at the way they are treated when money is so tight for many and the cost of football is so high.
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Post by brigdave on Nov 21, 2011 12:56:41 GMT 1
Tell me this - how can you get behind the team - as Dean Hoyle wants - if you have to stand up to do this and everytime you do - you get thrown out?
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Post by marshterrier on Nov 21, 2011 15:56:29 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 16:08:39 GMT 1
Tell me this - how can you get behind the team - as Dean Hoyle wants - if you have to stand up to do this and everytime you do - you get thrown out? You don't get thrown out every time you stand up, stay on your feet for prolonged periods even though you've been asked to sit down you might. Check out the clubs view on this on the "walked out after 13 minutes" thread. |
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Post by PaulDaltonFanClub on Nov 21, 2011 16:52:43 GMT 1
Without revisiting ground we went over yesterday Leeda, we definately need to try and push this on. Its not the rules but the uneven application of them thats my issue. Fair play to Admins on here, this thread will hopefully serve to resolve this latest issue. Once thats done, or at least underway, we should all stand together (no pun intended) to show our collective disapproval. What do you think mate?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 17:14:47 GMT 1
Without revisiting ground we went over yesterday Leeda, we definately need to try and push this on. Its not the rules but the uneven application of them thats my issue. Fair play to Admins on here, this thread will hopefully serve to resolve this latest issue. Once thats done, or at least underway, we should all stand together (no pun intended) to show our collective disapproval. What do you think mate? It should be even handed i agree, it shouldn't be any different for away fans i'm with you all the way, but there won't be any point in pushing the club to go against the law on PERSISTENT standing at all seater stadiums because it isn't going to happen. I've watched Town a long time and i miss not being able to stand for 90 minutes so i'm not anti-standing just realistic. :udders: |
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Post by PaulDaltonFanClub on Nov 21, 2011 17:23:54 GMT 1
Fair shout mate, one to think about :unsure:
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Post by pozza on Nov 21, 2011 18:38:25 GMT 1
What do folk class as persistent? How long period of time?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 21:06:58 GMT 1
What do folk class as persistent? How long period of time? As i said earlier read the clubs statement on the Walked out after 13 minutes thread, heres part of it Obviously, we all agree moments of high excitement, skill and passion are part of the game and will always get supporters on their feet, but the Club asks that everybody acts reasonably and sensibly and then sits back down - for example once these periods have passed or when there are breaks in play.' |
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Post by bro600 on Nov 21, 2011 21:30:45 GMT 1
The problem on Saturday was that the supporter thrown out was on row E,F or G and at least 4 rows of supporters in front of him were stood up.
Surely any numpty trying to seat supporters starts at the front and works their way back?
The ones at the front are then the first to be ejected if they stay stood up (surely) ?
I've seen on a number of occasions now when the mini Hitler in the High-Vis as picked a scapegoat and trying to get sense out of some of them is akin to getting a pint out of Jimmymac...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 22:39:57 GMT 1
The problem on Saturday was that the supporter thrown out was on row E,F or G and at least 4 rows of supporters in front of him were stood up. Surely any numpty trying to seat supporters starts at the front and works their way back? The ones at the front are then the first to be ejected if they stay stood up (surely) ? I've seen on a number of occasions now when the mini Hitler in the High-Vis as picked a scapegoat and trying to get sense out of some of them is akin to getting a pint out of Jimmymac... And that is a very good argument to put. Not the bit about Jimmymac after the sacrifice he's made, we sorry you should buy him the drinks. ;D |
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Post by stevvy on Nov 21, 2011 23:46:38 GMT 1
Surely any numpty trying to seat supporters starts at the front and works their way back? You'd think so, but that means the stewards using common sense, and it's rare you see any evidence of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 8:49:19 GMT 1
How many stewards are there in the Kilner Bank?, say there's 50, why not arrange for 50 people to have a "slip, trip or fall" , about 15 minutes before kick off, and insist that a full accident report is filled in. That should keep them occupied for a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 9:32:41 GMT 1
How many stewards are there in the Kilner Bank?, say there's 50, why not arrange for 50 people to have a "slip, trip or fall" , about 15 minutes before kick off, and insist that a full accident report is filled in. That should keep them occupied for a bit. Yeah good idea that should ensure ground closure. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 9:43:28 GMT 1
I've just send this! To whom it may concern: I bought a ticket for the Notts County game and chose to sit in the Britannia Rescue Stand (Row P seat 238) close to where some of my friends normally sit. From that seat I had an excellent view of the incident involving the young Town supporter who was ejected from the stadium. When the match kicked off the stewards and supervisors turned towards the stands and commenced their surveillance of crowd. At that point most supporters in that section of the crowd were standing and the stewards were telling people to sit down. After about five minutes the activity of the stewards seemed to increase. They placed themselves into positions at the end of each row and were staring into peoples faces, in what I thought was an unnecessarily aggressive and provocative manner. Indeed I thought their actions escalated the situation and it soon turned into a game of ‘to stand or not to stand’. For the most part the crowd ignored the stewards and the whole thing became a pig circus! I’ve supported Town for 52 seasons and I can honestly say I’ve never witnessed such heavy crowd scrutiny before. I realise these are only the observations of one person but I found the whole situation very intimidating. Clearly, the activities of the stewards failed to have any impact on crowd control, in fact it appeared to make matters considerably worse and at one stage I commented as much to a steward nearby. Eventually several Police Officers arrived and on the advice of the stewards proceeded to push their way into the crowd, disrupting an entire block of supporters as they did so. The game was continuing but at that stage it was impossible to see what was happening on the pitch due to the disruption this caused. The police then proceeded to remove a young man (19/20 year old I guess?) he was clearly distressed by this although he left peacefully but the incident appeared to also distress many others in close proximity. From what I could see the person concerned was doing nothing different to the hundreds of others who were standing and in my view he was being treated as a scapegoat. On the evidence of that incident alone, which was clearly a very rehearsed procedure, I believe the whole situation regarding stewarding and policing of matches at The Galpharm Stadium needs to be reviewed. It appears that quite innocent people are being thrown out of the stadium using methods that actually make matters worse. I realise persistent standing is illegal inside a stadium while a football game is in play (not so with Ruby I note) but does 5/10 minutes into game really constitute persistent standing? In other words it’s a matter of 'interpretation'. Is it really worth upsetting and disrupting an entire block of supporters (who have paid a considerable amount to watch a game) by treating individuals in this punitive fashion? I think not! Please contact me if you would like me to expand on the observations and comments I have made! AceT  Regards to all by the way! |
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Post by terracesider on Nov 22, 2011 10:21:04 GMT 1
There are definitely some double standards in play here:
At the Peterbro game towards the end of last season a couple of grown up yobs near us had a roll around punch-up causing a good deal of concern to many spectators (we were sitting a few seats away with a child) and general mayhem.
They weren't even ejected from the ground!!
Several of us wrote to the stadium authority complaining about this appalling incident and although a reply was received as far as I can tell no further action was taken.
Those "gentlemen" have retained their seats this season - the inconsistency absolutely beggars belief.
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Post by nse7entea on Nov 22, 2011 12:06:17 GMT 1
Interesting that post from AceT...when HTSA follow this up it's probably worth pointing out that standing at a football ground is NOT a criminal offence* and question on what grounds the police intervened.
They should only have done so if the lad was committing, or likely to commit or encourage a crime, and from the descriptions I've heard and of his 'peaceful' exit, then the likelihood of him commiting a criminal offence if not removed seems very unlikely.
*its a trap we all fall into, and I note AceT used the word 'illegal'..and Leeda talks about 'against the law'..but it's a fact that persistent standing in a football ground is NOT illegal. The Football Spectators Act 1989, section 11 only relates to a legal requirement to provide seating, NOT that it has to be used.
Persistent standing is a civil matter, effectively a breach of contract between a spectator and the operator of the event, where the contract is the terms and conditions of entry...police should NOT be enforcing application of private contractual terms, just like the police wouldn't be going into B&Q car park and removing your car if you parked there for 6 hours.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Nov 22, 2011 12:14:33 GMT 1
Well done Ace T. Great letter. I may get a rebuke for this, but anyone sitting in the so called singing section should be prepared for alot of singing and standing up. There are other seats in that stand available. The stewarding is appalling I'm afraid and at the moment out of HTFc's hands.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Nov 22, 2011 12:40:31 GMT 1
Great letter... but did you really sign it off... AceT, regards to all by the way.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 13:18:37 GMT 1
Great letter... but did you really sign it off... AceT, regards to all by the way. I signed it with by actual name in fact! |
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Post by sapphireblue on Nov 22, 2011 13:29:27 GMT 1
Great letter... but did you really sign it off... AceT, regards to all by the way. I signed it with by actual name in fact! Is that Andy Stripper? |
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Post by htsa2011 on Nov 22, 2011 13:59:57 GMT 1
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Post by OperationPig on Nov 22, 2011 14:49:58 GMT 1
You can stand up at Hillsborough even when you come you will be able too, stewards here are generally okay, obviously if its only a few standing in the middle then they will be told if not by the fans lol, but no way will they get ejected, that's just wrong.
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Post by htsa2011 on Nov 22, 2011 15:02:33 GMT 1
There is a discussion with regards to football stewarding on Radio L***s tomorrow 18:00. We hope to make a contribution to the programme so any further details would be helpful. Thanks again to all those who have been in touch.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Nov 22, 2011 16:24:08 GMT 1
Great letter... but did you really sign it off... AceT, regards to all by the way. I signed it with by actual name in fact! y;) Thank goodness... in that case sir :appl: its a good concise, effective letter. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 22, 2011 16:47:07 GMT 1
I say "sit down". If you want to stand, annoy anothers, break the law, spoil my view then organise yourselves and get a change in the rules.
I would throw out everyone who stands. One rule for all!!!
The only reason i sit with the old folks in the dear seats is i am sick of the fools jumping up and down like jack-in-boxes and dont get me started on the idiots up and down the aisles for a pee, tea, bet, pie or because they have a 3 year old with them.
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