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Post by dxterrier on May 19, 2024 10:30:02 GMT 1
Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 You are clearly a WUM. You include Barnsley in your summary. A week ago Duff chose Huddersfield over Barnsley. Not a WUM at all, just have an opinion thats not the happy clapper view that everything will be ok, as i have repeatedly said I hope I am wrong
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Post by dxterrier on May 19, 2024 10:26:17 GMT 1
Not a chance we are going down to the 4th division. Absolute nonsense. The whole post is nonsense. Think dx just needs a cuddle Appreciate the sentiment, but will give the cuddle a miss, not and have never been a hugger
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Post by dxterrier on May 18, 2024 23:15:08 GMT 1
Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for.Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2
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Post by dxterrier on May 18, 2024 22:09:31 GMT 1
Unless the toxic culture is rooted out and booted out we have no chance and will have another bad season, I really hope that culture can be changed but I really think after AB being so public about it we will struggle to attract players. If you were an agent would you really be advising your players to come here, unless the money involved was top end, which it won't be Big crowds for this level, a decent manager and a good shot at promotion. And Kev seems happy to pay for players who can make the difference. Can’t see many issues. Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for. Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that
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Post by dxterrier on May 18, 2024 20:54:01 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Unless the toxic culture is rooted out and booted out we have no chance and will have another bad season, I really hope that culture can be changed but I really think after AB being so public about it we will struggle to attract players. If you were an agent would you really be advising your players to come here, unless the money involved was top end, which it won't be
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Post by dxterrier on May 17, 2024 23:06:16 GMT 1
Does anyone know if there’s any chance of us keeping Helik? They’re saying we don’t need to sell, and surely there’d be no better sign of intent than convincing him to stay with us? Just a feeling I have no inside knowledge but i'd say no chance, lets be honest he is way above league 1 level, its a short career and can't see him wanting to waste even a year below his level, he gets into most championship teams, absolute respect to the lad if he does stay but IMO he is off, along with: Sorba....bridges all burnt and a championship side will take a risk for his set piece play Spencer Rudoni Healy Nichols Koroma Also think a few more will feel they are better than league one, Baulker(Sp??) Headley and don't think radulovich(sp??) will fancy it either Doesn't leave us with much, just hope Duff and Bert and Ernie can do a good job convincing a few players the club is not a shitshow as last seasons well publicised failings will make it hard to sell the club and attract players
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Post by dxterrier on May 16, 2024 21:26:15 GMT 1
FFS Norwich. Just hoping Leeds can still find a way to bottle this. Don't worry it will be much more fun to see the merchants of bindipping knuckle dragging based doom bottle it at wembley
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Post by dxterrier on May 15, 2024 20:52:32 GMT 1
Stearman, Boyle and Kasumu play to their level and are committed to the cause. We got exactly what we knew we were getting. Not world beaters but grafters. They were or still are rubbish. There is always a place in good teams for workers who give 100% Richard Logan under warnock(version 1) Always did the job he was asked to do and always gave 100% even though he was never a decent player
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Post by dxterrier on May 15, 2024 20:44:45 GMT 1
Unpopular as this opinion will be but i'd be tempted to offer a year to Jordan Rhodes, I still think he will score goals in league 1, was good for Blackpool before getting injured. A decent pre season behind him and he is still capable of at least 10-15 goals. If he is not with us I would guess he will go to another league 1 team as can't see him going to a championship team and I'd rather his 10-15 goals be for us than a rival
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Post by dxterrier on May 14, 2024 12:08:19 GMT 1
It has to be done and submitted by Friday so we will definitly know. Not much expected though. Only Rhodes, Nakayama, Diarra and Hogg out of contract. I think. Imagine 1st 3 will be let go, Hogg a year deal. Unless Hogg is also one of the bad eggs AB identified Funny you say that, its a question I had running round my head as if Hoggy was not one of the bad eggs I would have expected him to be the leader that sorts them out
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Post by dxterrier on May 13, 2024 15:44:51 GMT 1
We need a total hard b**tard if its true about brawls in the dressing room. There is only one man for that job, only 1 man fearless enough to sort out that shitshow of a dressing room I nominate John Sitton
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Post by dxterrier on May 13, 2024 15:31:50 GMT 1
Hope I'm not repeating old news, but I've just come across an article in HSV24 (some website associated with Hamburg SV in Germany). Quick (machine) translation: He was briefly discussed as a possible successor at HSV following the dismissal of Tim Walter in February, but André Breitenreiter's appointment at Volkspark (Hamburg) did not materialise in the end. Instead, the 50-year-old, who also played for HSV as a professional between 1994 and 1998, signed with English second division club Huddersfield Town, which he was supposed to save from relegation. Barely three months later, it is clear that the goal has been missed - and Breitenreiter has already lost his job. Prior to that, he was unable to give the team the hoped-for boost, with Huddersfield managing just two wins under the 50-year-old's watch. The truth is, however, that Huddersfield's mission to avoid relegation was a disaster right from the start. The players are said to have been at severe odds with each other, and there were even rumours of brawls in the dressing room. The thing is: Breitenreiter apparently knew nothing about it. He told Bild (German tabloid): "It was mission impossible! If I had known about it beforehand, I would never have signed for Huddersfield." Well, you've got to be careful of what you read in the "Bild", but they do sometimes get it right. I wonder if it's true about the supposed brawls? I mean these things happen in football, but is it something the new manager will need to know? It would certainly be easy to believe, and would explain the sheer apathy of most of them for most of the season
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Post by dxterrier on May 13, 2024 15:17:30 GMT 1
Winning the division must be the aim, especially as its the only division title we haven't won. However we have already made our first mistake by keeping Bert and Ernie (aka Cartwright and Edwards), who have been abysmal and IMO not fit for purpose. So given we will almost certainly lose any decent player, and those we can't sell won't want to be here and know they will get away with downing tools, while whichever unfortunate soul that becomes manager is the scapegoat while bert and ernie are in charge....Then its bottom half flirting with relegation at best and if we are not nearly relegated then very actually relegated Now AB has made it perfectly clear what sort of mess this club is in, we will struggle to attract any decent players. The reset should have started with those 2, who couldn't run a subbuteo team let alone a professional league team
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Post by dxterrier on May 13, 2024 14:55:57 GMT 1
KN saying senior management duo JE and MC 'deserve another chance "despite overseeing the club's relegation to league 1 according to Stephen Page 13/4/24 First mistake of the summer then
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Post by dxterrier on May 11, 2024 21:49:40 GMT 1
Someone who will put the fear of god in the troublemakers, tell them to shape up or ship out and make them feel if they step out of line they will get walled up. Someone who will get them fit, the fitness of the squad has been at best questionable, run them until they throw up if needed. No names in mind as there are so many issues to sort out first
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Post by dxterrier on May 10, 2024 21:57:03 GMT 1
Sort the toxic culture first, or any manager will be coming in to a shitfest and an impossible mission
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 30, 2024 0:43:13 GMT 1
The last 2 times we got out of the 3rd division we had workhorses as well as skill and passion in the team which is what we need 1995: Tom Cowan Darren Bullock Iain Dunn Ronnie Jepson Andy Booth
2012: Peter Clarke Gary Roberts Lee Novak
They are the kind of lads we need, not some of the uninterested mob we have now, plus a true midfield playmaker is essential
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 29, 2024 23:25:29 GMT 1
Given we have been relegated to the third division, and the expected financial losses involved, will you now look to sell? As it stands to reason you must have bought the club to build, as it stands we have gone backwards, while not entirely your fault as the damage was done long before you arrived, do you now feel it is too big a job?
The decision making at the heart of the club has been disasterous this season, will you now take a serious look at the management structure? you were warned by lots of us mere fans that the squad was woefully short, does it make sense that if Mr Cartwright and Mr Edwards could not see the glaringly obvious fact, then neither of them are fit to run the club.
Your current manager has stated the behaviour of certain players is the worst he has seen in 30 years, that is a damning statement, will you be taking every step to get to the root cause of this as if we go into another season of this, then we will have another bad season, as the attitude around the club and in the squad has been just as big a factor in this seasons failings as the ability of the squad
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 28, 2024 22:30:45 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be. We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance. We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division Talking of bad apples I think we need a list.... I'll start Koroma Funnily enough, that was the first name that came to mind, complete guess based on no inside information, just a feeling but I think the players to leave early were: Koroma Thomas Burgzorg Matos
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 28, 2024 17:47:11 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be.
We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance.
We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 27, 2024 18:33:22 GMT 1
Last season was papering over the huge cracks that had(baring the play off season)been there since coming out of the premier league. The lessons were not learned and this seasons those same cracks opened up again and were too wide to fix
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 27, 2024 18:29:29 GMT 1
Can't believe the players like getting beat. If they try then a round of applause for their seasons efforts is fine. On a personal note. When I played, all be it at a way lower level, I used to hate getting beat. Nothing better than shaking hands at the end of a game with a team of players you have just beat. Nothing worse than shaking hands with some smug c**t that has just beaten you! Don't think its a case of like getting beat, but on this seasons showing I'd very much believe that too many of them don't care if they get beat
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 24, 2024 13:55:43 GMT 1
I remember it well. I worked up canal street at the time which was at the side of what was rickys bar, about 6 of us who worked there were going so we went in shifts to queue. I remember getting to Leeds rd on the day to get on the coach to be grabbed by a guy i didn't really know but had stood next to him a few times on the east terrace, he asked me to be a steward on the coach so got my money back(always been a bit of an ar ar arkwright). It was such a great day, town were at wembley, the old and much better wembley, for a 19 year old me who had only known division 4 and division 3 and the dissapointment of the 92 peterboro play off semmi it was amazing seeing all the flags going down the M1. It was still a great day despite the result and Tommy Cowan's dreadful penalty.....and 12 months later we were back there for an even better day, which I nearly missed the coach for as i slept through my alarm
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 15:43:19 GMT 1
He just seems to come accross as defeated, to me anyway, seems a similar vibe to how Wagner was just before he left. When asked by Oggy if he would be staying he completely deflected the question, can't help but think he would have said he will be here next season regardless if that was the case. Yes he has a contract but i'd be very surprised if there isn't a relegation release clause in that To be fair after that game I think most managers would come across deflated and rather be somewhere else, but doesn’t mean he’s going anywhere! I expect him to be here next season whatever league we are in….. Part of me hopes you are right but as someone else has said potentially a great manager, good track record but this seems to be the wrong job for him, was certainly seems the wrong time
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 15:14:49 GMT 1
I think that was a good move by Rotherham, AB has obviously got a good pedigree, and given the right conditions could be a great manager for us, but if, as it looks like, he doesn't want to be here then he should go, not after the Ipswich game, but now, today. Give someone else(has to be worthy) a chance to pull off something nigh on impossible, or as is more likely, just try and end the season building a bit of confidence, and start planning for life in league 1 because barring a near bonefide miracle thats where we are going. If its left too long we are too far behind in planning for next season(another lesson that needs learning) which could then lead to a disjointed pre season, which could mean another poor season in the league below and further loss of confidence Andre, if you are staying come out and say it, if you are going then go now when you are saying it looks like he doesn't want to be here, what are you referring to specifically? Also, as he has a 2.5 year contract I guess he does not need to say he is staying does he? He just seems to come accross as defeated, to me anyway, seems a similar vibe to how Wagner was just before he left. When asked by Oggy if he would be staying he completely deflected the question, can't help but think he would have said he will be here next season regardless if that was the case. Yes he has a contract but i'd be very surprised if there isn't a relegation release clause in that
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 14:27:55 GMT 1
It says a lot when no player would be interviewed by Oggy after the debacle on saturday, Oggy even said it wasn't because they didnt play well he had asked several players who declined because "they didn't want to say something they should'nt" that doesn't sound good at all, thats either aimed at the manager, the way the club is being run, or it could be about the fans
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 14:23:16 GMT 1
Agree with this, he is coming accross as he has been sold a pup, almost seems as if he doesn't want to be here and I agree he doesn't want to be here for league 1. Always thought passion and belief has to start from the manager, thats how Warnock kept us up, thats why we looked a lot better under worthy. This is pretty much the same squad that did belive last season, that gave it all to stay up. If that is true that he has been sold a pup thats criminal mismanagement given our position. If he wants to leave he should leave now, give us a chance to get planning for life in league 1, get worthy in for the last 2 games He’s not inspirational is he? He’s dour. Who interviewed him and thought- YES! This is the man to dig us out of relegation and inspire terrier fight for survival. I don’t work in football but I’ve known some great leaders and leadership in my life - professionally and in amateur sports. Andre clearly has shown leadership skills in Germany, inspiring a promotion for a smaller club into Bundesliga in 2014… but is that what a group of mostly English, mostly lazy, lads need a decade later? Not for me. We’d have actually been better getting Steve Evans the Rotherham guy in.
Anyone not running in training would’ve been physically assaulted by big steve and no bad thing too. A bit of the Brian Clough school of management. Literally twat lazy players. I think that was a good move by Rotherham, AB has obviously got a good pedigree, and given the right conditions could be a great manager for us, but if, as it looks like, he doesn't want to be here then he should go, not after the Ipswich game, but now, today. Give someone else(has to be worthy) a chance to pull off something nigh on impossible, or as is more likely, just try and end the season building a bit of confidence, and start planning for life in league 1 because barring a near bonefide miracle thats where we are going. If its left too long we are too far behind in planning for next season(another lesson that needs learning) which could then lead to a disjointed pre season, which could mean another poor season in the league below and further loss of confidence Andre, if you are staying come out and say it, if you are going then go now
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 22, 2024 13:56:18 GMT 1
I've not read the whole of this thread but my thoughts on Breitenreiter is that he clearly operates at a high level with high standards and has been sold a complete pup with us. I don't think he can truly believe what state this club is in and clearly didn't know before signing or wouldn't have entertained us. If you listen to some of his interviews he infers quite clearly that players don't put effort into training and some don't on a match day. 'Half the group was running, half wasn't' or words to that effect after the Swansea game speaking about the game itself and saying certain players aren't training well and therefore not being selected. Do you think he has ever had unprofessionalism to this level whilst winning titles in the German or Swiss leagues or qualifying for European football? There is no way on god's earth he stays for L1 but I would be happy if he did if, and it's a big if, he is given the correct tools. Agree with this, he is coming accross as he has been sold a pup, almost seems as if he doesn't want to be here and I agree he doesn't want to be here for league 1. Always thought passion and belief has to start from the manager, thats how Warnock kept us up, thats why we looked a lot better under worthy. This is pretty much the same squad that did belive last season, that gave it all to stay up. If that is true that he has been sold a pup thats criminal mismanagement given our position. If he wants to leave he should leave now, give us a chance to get planning for life in league 1, get worthy in for the last 2 games
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 21, 2024 22:53:18 GMT 1
www.facebook.com/lufcfans/posts/pfbid03YZPQSGB4qJqAp7UQJXKkqAqJ826yjktqnWij77genJBzaTKQseu8X4CH16yhnxQlBlackburn beat Leeds then lose to Sheffield Wednesday. Coventry beat Leeds then lose to Southampton. West Brom beat Leeds then lose to Swansea. Preston beat Leeds then lose to Sheffield Wednesday. Sunderland beat Leeds then lose to Bristol City. LEEDS IS EVERYONE'S CUP FINAL Jesus Christ on a f**king scooter, what an absolute set of ham shankers Of course being in a bad mood after yesterday and lots of other things I had to comment "Typical arrogant leeds tossers....history averages you out to be a second division club with the occasional few good years, yet you all seem to think you are one of the countrys elite clubs....Fact, your honours list is no more impressive than a lot of other clubs on your level and its often the way in the championship where any club can beat another, leeds are nothing special in this division or any other"
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 21, 2024 17:00:18 GMT 1
Totally understand the feelings, this season has been a complete s**tshow, made worse by the fact we totally didn't learn the lessons from last season and before. That is nothing more than a major failing by all involved in the running of the club, that failure is an absolute insult to the faith we, as fans, give freely to the club we love and right now its been made worse because we have gone down without putting up much fight.
I think there is a part of all of us that wants to walk away, but underneath I know I won't, I can't. There is something about your club, your team that lodges in your heart, your soul and gets in your blood. For me thats been there since one tuesday night in 1980, the first time I got to the top of the steps in the old main stand at Leeds Road and got my first ever glimpse of the pitch under the floodlights, heard the noise. As a wide eyed 5 year old it grips you and never lets go. There has been good times and there has been bad times, it a rollercoaster, but its a true love that no matter how much it hurts at times, you can't leave.
Really doesn't feel like it at the moment but the highest of highs are always worth the lowest of lows, thats the life of a town fan
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