Wagner to Schalke?

[Town Duppy]

Apr 30, 2019 16:00:15 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Schalke goals scored this season > Schalke goals scored next season

They've been so s**t this season I think he's picked the right club at the right time again. 

[ponteterrier]

Best of luck to Wagner. I really hope he does well there.

[jqhtfc]

That’s a great job for him is that!

[brighousebandbred]

Apr 30, 2019 17:27:16 GMT 1 jqhtfc said:

That’s a great job for him is that!

Go smash em Wagner they will deffo become my German team if this happens.

[specialun]

P14 W1 D0 L13 F7 A39 GD - 32 PTS 3

Our record after Wagner left

The man turned water into wine

This year the Board expected him to turn sewage into wine.

And to think some of you thought he wasn’t get the best out of the players - lol!

Some of most utter nonsense I’ve ever read on here

Good luck to him if he does - I’m sure he will do tremendously well. When we’re losing away at Luton next season and go back to finishing lower mid table at best perhaps those who thought he needed to go will feel slightly embarrassed

[Deleted]

I presume it’s too soon for a pre season friendly...wouldn’t seem fair on Siewert having to face up to his predecessor with 19000 people chanting his name continuously!

[Oblong of Dreams]

Seems a good move for him, if he does raid us for a few players I just hope we get good money for whoever he comes in for. Can't see Deano giving him a friendly discount!

Viel Glück, David.

[royrace]

Apr 30, 2019 17:38:20 GMT 1 specialun said:

P14 W1 D0 L13 F7 A39 GD - 32 PTS 3

Our record after Wagner left

The man turned water into wine

This year the Board expected him to turn sewage into wine.

And to think some of you thought he wasn’t get the best out of the players - lol!

Some of most utter nonsense I’ve ever read on here

Good luck to him if he does - I’m sure he will do tremendously well. When we’re losing away at Luton next season and go back to finishing lower mid table at best perhaps those who thought he needed to go will feel slightly embarrassed

EXACTLY. And see how he does with some decent investment. 

But his teams don’t score goals, no balls in the box, always passing backwards. Bullshit. Did what he had to with the steaming pile of shit he got bought in the summer and barring refs and injuries he’d probably have pulled off mission impossible 2.

You’ve now seen the alternative, cue more excuses, fact of the matter is we’ve gone from a brilliant manager to a really poor one.

[El Mel]

Apr 30, 2019 16:20:35 GMT 1 Town Duppy said:

Apr 30, 2019 16:00:15 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Schalke goals scored this season > Schalke goals scored next season

They've been so s**t this season I think he's picked the right club at the right time again. 

If his crfiteria is choosing a club that's completely shit so he can turn it around, it makes you wonder why he left the shitfest that was going on here.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2019 18:41:40 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Apr 30, 2019 16:20:35 GMT 1 Town Duppy said:

They've been so s**t this season I think he's picked the right club at the right time again. 

If his crfiteria is choosing a club that's completely shit so he can turn it around, it makes you wonder why he left the shitfest that was going on here.

Does it really? Taking on a side that were going to perrenial strugglers in the championship to strugglers in the prem doesnt add up to what youre implying.

Schalke are NOT shit. They are a big step up to huddersfield. There will be most likely be a lot more quality there and an actual budget to boot, providing the director has his head screwed on

i'd much rather take on a job where someone seriously underperformed and be given the license to implement my own ideals than take over after someone like ferguson or guardiola (just as examples)

[Yorkie]

Apr 30, 2019 14:55:59 GMT 1 Mav said:

Apr 30, 2019 11:28:30 GMT 1 Yorkie said:

No way Mooy would go there with a young family and a wife with family in Scotland. I’ll be very surprised if he isn’t in blue and white or black and white stripes next season.

Maybe he’ll come in for Stankovic though as he was “the one we had to sign”

Or Sheff.Utd?

Swap for Norwood and £10m to guarantee us promotion next season haha

[Yorkie]

Apr 30, 2019 17:38:20 GMT 1 specialun said:

P14 W1 D0 L13 F7 A39 GD - 32 PTS 3

Our record after Wagner left

The man turned water into wine

This year the Board expected him to turn sewage into wine.

And to think some of you thought he wasn’t get the best out of the players - lol!

Some of most utter nonsense I’ve ever read on here

Good luck to him if he does - I’m sure he will do tremendously well. When we’re losing away at Luton next season and go back to finishing lower mid table at best perhaps those who thought he needed to go will feel slightly embarrassed

Next season when Siewert would have been our manager anyway...

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 30, 2019 17:38:20 GMT 1 specialun said:

P14 W1 D0 L13 F7 A39 GD - 32 PTS 3

Our record after Wagner left

The man turned water into wine

This year the Board expected him to turn sewage into wine.

And to think some of you thought he wasn’t get the best out of the players - lol!

Some of most utter nonsense I’ve ever read on here

Good luck to him if he does - I’m sure he will do tremendously well. When we’re losing away at Luton next season and go back to finishing lower mid table at best perhaps those who thought he needed to go will feel slightly embarrassed

Here's a 14 game run under Wagner, hardly much better. He also had a full pre season to improve things whereas Siewart has been dropped right in to a squad of poor quality with zero confidence

P14 W0 D5 L9 F5 A25 GD -20 PTS 5

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Schalke are a massive club if you want a comparison it's like him taking over at Arsenal or Tottenham.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2019 20:40:12 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Schalke are a massive club if you want a comparison it's like him taking over at Arsenal or Tottenham.

Be nice if he is challenging against Bayern and Schalkes main rivals Dortmund for the league, be nice to see Dave in the Champions League 2020/2021

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 30, 2019 20:10:21 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 30, 2019 17:38:20 GMT 1 specialun said:

P14 W1 D0 L13 F7 A39 GD - 32 PTS 3

Our record after Wagner left

The man turned water into wine

This year the Board expected him to turn sewage into wine.

And to think some of you thought he wasn’t get the best out of the players - lol!

Some of most utter nonsense I’ve ever read on here

Good luck to him if he does - I’m sure he will do tremendously well. When we’re losing away at Luton next season and go back to finishing lower mid table at best perhaps those who thought he needed to go will feel slightly embarrassed

Here's a 14 game run under Wagner, hardly much better. He also had a full pre season to improve things whereas Siewart has been dropped right in to a squad of poor quality with zero confidence

P14 W0 D5 L9 F5 A25 GD -20 PTS 5

Please don’t forget our awful luck with Refs decisions (Cardiff) injuries (Mooy) and the dreadful summer recruitment which I don’t believe was down to Wagner. Also, amongst all of this we remained competitive in most games and the spirit within the club was still good.
Compare that with what we have now.
Wagner is totally beyond reproach in my eyes.

[dalesterrier]

Following Klopp's point that Siewart is highly rated in Germany I queried this with a German based journalist who confirmed he is but thought it was the wrong move for Siewart and that he should return to Germany and we move on as well. Guess we'll see

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 30, 2019 21:02:56 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Apr 30, 2019 20:10:21 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Here's a 14 game run under Wagner, hardly much better. He also had a full pre season to improve things whereas Siewart has been dropped right in to a squad of poor quality with zero confidence

P14 W0 D5 L9 F5 A25 GD -20 PTS 5

Please don’t forget our awful luck with Refs decisions (Cardiff) injuries (Mooy) and the dreadful summer recruitment which I don’t believe was down to Wagner. Also, amongst all of this we remained competitive in most games and the spirit within the club was still good.
Compare that with what we have now.
Wagner is totally beyond reproach in my eyes.

I personally think it's ridiculous that Wagner finished with 2 wins from 28 games or 5 from 44 if you want to go back that far and is labelled a genius while the same folk are labelling Siewart a fraud

I didn't want Siewart, it was a ridiculous appointment really, but he's here now so might aswell back him.

Wagner was a very good manager for Town but a genius wouldn't go on such a poor extended run. I think he'll be a pretty average manager in Germany where his methods are common place

[lorddriffield]

This will be a massive step up the career ladder for Wagner and he will really have to hit the ground running otherwise Schalke will show him the door like they've done to so many managers in recent years. Schalke 04 is a club with high hopes despite the bad results this season that has seen them almost get relegated. They have one of the most modern grounds in Europe and a good history in European competitions. Apart from winning the UEFA Cup in 1997 (Wagner being part of the squad) they faced up to Barcelona in the quarter finals of the Champions League in 2008 and Man Utd in the semi-finals three years later. They finished as runners up in the Bundesliga last season and have won the German Cup 5 times, as recent as 2011. What I'm saying is, this is a world away from Huddersfield Town. There's no way in hell he'll be coming in to take Town players to Germany.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 30, 2019 21:10:45 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Apr 30, 2019 21:02:56 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Please don’t forget our awful luck with Refs decisions (Cardiff) injuries (Mooy) and the dreadful summer recruitment which I don’t believe was down to Wagner. Also, amongst all of this we remained competitive in most games and the spirit within the club was still good.
Compare that with what we have now.
Wagner is totally beyond reproach in my eyes.

I personally think it's ridiculous that Wagner finished with 2 wins from 28 games or 5 from 44 if you want to go back that far and is labelled a genius while the same folk are labelling Siewart a fraud

I didn't want Siewart, it was a ridiculous appointment really, but he's here now so might aswell back him.

Wagner was a very good manager for Town but a genius wouldn't go on such a poor extended run. I think he'll be a pretty average manager in Germany where his methods are common place

Totally respect your point but surely you cannot ever imagine that if the club had got recruitment right last Summer, Wagner’s record would have ended up like that.
Again, I get what you say about Siewert - I would love to agree but I’ve seen absolutely no positives from him at all .

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 30, 2019 21:22:34 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Apr 30, 2019 21:10:45 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

I personally think it's ridiculous that Wagner finished with 2 wins from 28 games or 5 from 44 if you want to go back that far and is labelled a genius while the same folk are labelling Siewart a fraud

I didn't want Siewart, it was a ridiculous appointment really, but he's here now so might aswell back him.

Wagner was a very good manager for Town but a genius wouldn't go on such a poor extended run. I think he'll be a pretty average manager in Germany where his methods are common place

Totally respect your point but surely you cannot ever imagine that if the club had got recruitment right last Summer, Wagner’s record would have ended up like that.
Again, I get what you say about Siewert - I would love to agree but I’ve seen absolutely no positives from him at all .

My point is that if Wagners last 28 games had been his first 28 then everyone would have been talking about him the same way they now talk about Siewart

Siewart may have had a similar impact to Wagner had he taken over a side at the bottom end of a much more forgiving Championship rather than a side way out of its depth in one of the toughest leagues in the world

[andyeastleake]

Apr 30, 2019 16:00:15 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Schalke goals scored this season > Schalke goals scored next season

If it happens, do you want to back up that snide comment with hard cash and a wager Mole?

...or better still make it final position which after all is what REALLY matters.

[El Mel]

Apr 30, 2019 21:30:01 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

Apr 30, 2019 16:00:15 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Schalke goals scored this season > Schalke goals scored next season

If it happens, do you want to back up that snide comment with hard cash and a wager Mole?

...or better still make it final position which after all is what REALLY matters.

Aye, final position is important mate.

Have a look at the current Premier League table eh ;-)

[andyeastleake]

Apr 30, 2019 21:41:10 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Apr 30, 2019 21:30:01 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

If it happens, do you want to back up that snide comment with hard cash and a wager Mole?

...or better still make it final position which after all is what REALLY matters.

Aye, final position is important mate.

Have a look at the current Premier League table eh ;-)

I saw the final league table in 16/17 and 17/18. TBF that will do for me.

Someone struggling against the odds or at a disadvantage will eventually lose. Fact of life.

....but that doesn't mean failure.

PS IMHO Only a fool would suggest the Premier league table would look as bleak as it does now if DW had stayed. Plus the VAST majority of this board would be looking to next season with a greater degree of optimism (IMHO).

PPS You ignored the real thrust of my post.

TBH that wasn't even a hint of a surprise.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Apr 30, 2019 21:52:28 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

Apr 30, 2019 21:41:10 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Aye, final position is important mate.

Have a look at the current Premier League table eh ;-)

I saw the final league table in 16/17 and 17/18. TBF that will do for me.

Someone struggling against the odds or at a disadvantage will eventually lose. Fact of life.

....but that doesn't mean failure.

PS IMHO Only a fool would suggest the Premier league table would look as bleak as it does now if DW had stayed. Plus the VAST majority of this board would be looking to next season with a greater degree of optimism (IMHO).

PPS You ignored the real thrust of my post.

TBH that wasn't even a hint of a surprise.

Do you really believe we wouldn't be bottom if Wagner stayed?

Despite him having won only 2 of the last 28 games

Why do you think he left? He knew the season was beyond repair and Siewart will now be the fall guy and Wagner will escape without much blame weirdly

[TTerrier]

Apr 30, 2019 16:00:15 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Schalke goals scored this season > Schalke goals scored next season

Trying so desperately not to bite

I love Dave

[Doc Halladay 32]

Those looking disparagingly at Wagner's teams goals scored and attacking tactics seemingly fail to look at the resoources available to him and us.

3rd lowest budget in the Championship before promotion bonuses were paid and lowest by some distance in last year's PL in which we managed a near miraculous 16th given that budget discrepancy and now like some sort of prophets they are out in force when the discrepancy finally (which at some point it was ineviatably going to do) came home to roost this year.

One can only defy those stacked odds for so long.... LIVING LEGENDS the bloody lot of them from the Chairman down for those two seasons which rightly should go down as some of the best in our history and definitely up there with those in our lifetimes and even more hopefully the financial boost of the PL money might set us off on a path of even better times ahead.

[The-Crab]

After 42 attempts of Wagner linked with ...........insert every single Championship and top-flight club in England and Germany. It looks like it might for once be true

[Chips Longhorn]

Apr 30, 2019 21:30:01 GMT 1 andyeastleake said:

Apr 30, 2019 16:00:15 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Schalke goals scored this season > Schalke goals scored next season

If it happens, do you want to back up that snide comment with hard cash and a wager Mole?

...or better still make it final position which after all is what REALLY matters.

Maybe there is a parallel universe where points accrued account for nothing and Ossie Ardiles is king of all he surveys

[Baby-face Frankenstein]

Providing he does get the job, you do wonder if DW will have got his timing just right again. Schalke recently announced a turnover of 350 million EUR for 2018 and although they do have debts of 150 million, they also have enough assets to keep the wolves from the door, i.e. backing from Gazprom (largest employer in Russia after the army) and their training ground facilities wouldn't look out of place in the blue side of Manchester, and are still to be further developed yet:

schalke04.de/verein/berger-feld/das-bautagebuch/

Although this would be a fantastic move, at Schalke he'd be working against the massive weight of expectancy. Plus, on the face of it, they too are a little unsettled: they are still looking for a DoF, they've gone through about 8 chief coaches in as many years, and have enjoyed the reputation of being a "chaos club" ever since I can remember.

Hope he does well, though - can't say I like Schalke particularly, but with him at the helm it'll be worth keeping an eye on what he might be doing there (it would still be surprise to me if he gets the job).