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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 8:45:26 GMT 1
Providing he does get the job, you do wonder if DW will have got his timing just right again. Schalke recently announced a turnover of 350 million EUR for 2018 and although they do have debts of 150 million, they also have enough assets to keep the wolves from the door, i.e. backing from Gazprom (largest employer in Russia after the army) and their training ground facilities wouldn't look out of place in the blue side of Manchester, and are still to be further developed yet: schalke04.de/verein/berger-feld/das-bautagebuch/ Although this would be a fantastic move, at Schalke he'd be working against the massive weight of expectancy. Plus, on the face of it, they too are a little unsettled: they are still looking for a DoF, they've gone through about 8 chief coaches in as many years, and have enjoyed the reputation of being a "chaos club" ever since I can remember. Hope he does well, though - can't say I like Schalke particularly, but with him at the helm it'll be worth keeping an eye on what he might be doing there (it would still be surprise to me if he gets the job). Cant wait to see how he does. I'd be amazed if he wasn't a massive success but you never know, big difference in expectation etc as you say and bigger players. The thing is man management is just one of the things he excels in so I don't see that being a problem at all. I could genuinely see David Wagner going on to be our next Bill Shankly. |
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Post by townrwe on May 1, 2019 8:46:23 GMT 1
I think we all know he has the ability. It was obvious from day 1 that he is a great coach and a great person.
I'm not convinced he has the mental capacity for top level management, he seemed to get absolutely caught up in the media circus in England, and looked a down trodden and beaten man 6 months into our first premier league campaign.... by the end it was the fairest thing to do, let him go as he looked absolutely beat up.
Not sure what the press are like in Germany, but the pressure at a big club must be higher than that at town, where the crowd and club were all behind him, if we finished bottom or not.
Look at the expectation on siewert and hes been given the juxtaposition of scenarios that David experienced at Town.
Good luck to Wagner, he deserves the move and Deano has helped him massively by letting him refresh before a new summer challenge.
Both reasons to be proud to be a huddersfield fan, and to have seen potentially a top manager at our club at all. I truly hope he can hack the other aspects of a top job as his coaching skills were obvious for all to see.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 1, 2019 8:58:39 GMT 1
Providing he does get the job, you do wonder if DW will have got his timing just right again. Schalke recently announced a turnover of 350 million EUR for 2018 and although they do have debts of 150 million, they also have enough assets to keep the wolves from the door, i.e. backing from Gazprom (largest employer in Russia after the army) and their training ground facilities wouldn't look out of place in the blue side of Manchester, and are still to be further developed yet: schalke04.de/verein/berger-feld/das-bautagebuch/ Although this would be a fantastic move, at Schalke he'd be working against the massive weight of expectancy. Plus, on the face of it, they too are a little unsettled: they are still looking for a DoF, they've gone through about 8 chief coaches in as many years, and have enjoyed the reputation of being a "chaos club" ever since I can remember. Hope he does well, though - can't say I like Schalke particularly, but with him at the helm it'll be worth keeping an eye on what he might be doing there (it would still be surprise to me if he gets the job). Cant wait to see how he does. I'd be amazed if he wasn't a massive success but you never know, big difference in expectation etc as you say and bigger players. The thing is man management is just one of the things he excels in so I don't see that being a problem at all. I could genuinely see David Wagner going on to be our next Bill Shankly. Man management is 90% of the battle. There's players in our squad who were here when he joined who have never seen Premier League players really, but they, and we, arrived mostly because they'd run through a brick wall for DW. |
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 9:05:53 GMT 1
I think we all know he has the ability. It was obvious from day 1 that he is a great coach and a great person. I'm not convinced he has the mental capacity for top level management, he seemed to get absolutely caught up in the media circus in England, and looked a down trodden and beaten man 6 months into our first premier league campaign.... by the end it was the fairest thing to do, let him go as he looked absolutely beat up.Not sure what the press are like in Germany, but the pressure at a big club must be higher than that at town, where the crowd and club were all behind him, if we finished bottom or not. Look at the expectation on siewert and hes been given the juxtaposition of scenarios that David experienced at Town. Good luck to Wagner, he deserves the move and Deano has helped him massively by letting him refresh before a new summer challenge. Both reasons to be proud to be a huddersfield fan, and to have seen potentially a top manager at our club at all. I truly hope he can hack the other aspects of a top job as his coaching skills were obvious for all to see. The whole pressure thing was made up wasn't it to give the club and Dave an exit strategy that wouldn't make either look bad. He never looked stressed to me, he looked frustrated understandably but he wasn't stressed. He was still doing extra interviews with the major broadcasters right up to the end, he was fine. No way he resigned due to pressure or stress, I thought that was obvious. He resigned because his hands had been tied since the summer and he was fully prepared to stay til the summer, it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 9:36:24 GMT 1
As much as I liked him and what he achieved here at Town He is now a " history man " and whatever he does good luck to him but not overtly interested .
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Post by Convictatthemac on May 1, 2019 10:42:51 GMT 1
I think we all know he has the ability. It was obvious from day 1 that he is a great coach and a great person. I'm not convinced he has the mental capacity for top level management, he seemed to get absolutely caught up in the media circus in England, and looked a down trodden and beaten man 6 months into our first premier league campaign.... by the end it was the fairest thing to do, let him go as he looked absolutely beat up.Not sure what the press are like in Germany, but the pressure at a big club must be higher than that at town, where the crowd and club were all behind him, if we finished bottom or not. Look at the expectation on siewert and hes been given the juxtaposition of scenarios that David experienced at Town. Good luck to Wagner, he deserves the move and Deano has helped him massively by letting him refresh before a new summer challenge. Both reasons to be proud to be a huddersfield fan, and to have seen potentially a top manager at our club at all. I truly hope he can hack the other aspects of a top job as his coaching skills were obvious for all to see. The whole pressure thing was made up wasn't it to give the club and Dave an exit strategy that wouldn't make either look bad. He never looked stressed to me, he looked frustrated understandably but he wasn't stressed. He was still doing extra interviews with the major broadcasters right up to the end, he was fine. No way he resigned due to pressure or stress, I thought that was obvious. He resigned because his hands had been tied since the summer and he was fully prepared to stay til the summer, it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. You are correct that it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. However, he was done, cooked for a better word. I honestly thought he needed to leave for his own mental health. The bloke puts in 100% and nothing less. With DH away sick, I can only imagine the extra responsibility he took onboard, whether that was actual or perceived didn’t matter, but it all definitely built up on him and he was burnt out. |
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Post by bigtruck on May 1, 2019 10:50:31 GMT 1
The whole pressure thing was made up wasn't it to give the club and Dave an exit strategy that wouldn't make either look bad. He never looked stressed to me, he looked frustrated understandably but he wasn't stressed. He was still doing extra interviews with the major broadcasters right up to the end, he was fine. No way he resigned due to pressure or stress, I thought that was obvious. He resigned because his hands had been tied since the summer and he was fully prepared to stay til the summer, it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. You are correct that it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. However, he was done, cooked for a better word. I honestly thought he needed to leave for his own mental health. The bloke puts in 100% and nothing less. With DH away sick, I can only imagine the extra responsibility he took onboard, whether that was actual or perceived didn’t matter, but it all definitely built up on him and he was burnt out. I think its a little naive to think DW left for any other reason than not having a relegation on his CV. As for the summer recruitment, DW was offered a number of striking options but refused them and was adamant he wanted wide men. |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 1, 2019 13:29:09 GMT 1
According to the sun he was axed!!!! How many more times he left!
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 13:39:57 GMT 1
You are correct that it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. However, he was done, cooked for a better word. I honestly thought he needed to leave for his own mental health. The bloke puts in 100% and nothing less. With DH away sick, I can only imagine the extra responsibility he took onboard, whether that was actual or perceived didn’t matter, but it all definitely built up on him and he was burnt out. I think its a little naive to think DW left for any other reason than not having a relegation on his CV. As for the summer recruitment, DW was offered a number of striking options but refused them and was adamant he wanted wide men. So you think Wagner left because he didn't want a relegation on his CV? Really? Even though he wanted to resign at the end of the season? Not sure about the relevance to him being offered strikers but it seemed quite obvious to me last season that we were lacking that bit of quality in the front midfield 3 area so that doesn't surprise me. Mounie and Depoitre were pretty decent on the whole last season which its easy to forget. The real problem is the wide players that were purchased, had they been of the required quality I'm certain we'd have been looking at another season in the PL. |
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 13:42:11 GMT 1
The whole pressure thing was made up wasn't it to give the club and Dave an exit strategy that wouldn't make either look bad. He never looked stressed to me, he looked frustrated understandably but he wasn't stressed. He was still doing extra interviews with the major broadcasters right up to the end, he was fine. No way he resigned due to pressure or stress, I thought that was obvious. He resigned because his hands had been tied since the summer and he was fully prepared to stay til the summer, it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. You are correct that it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. However, he was done, cooked for a better word. I honestly thought he needed to leave for his own mental health. The bloke puts in 100% and nothing less. With DH away sick, I can only imagine the extra responsibility he took onboard, whether that was actual or perceived didn’t matter, but it all definitely built up on him and he was burnt out. I didn't see that at all and I don't see any evidence of it anywhere except for in the statement from the club?? If it were true it must be some recovery since he's about to take a much more higher profile job at a bigger club with much more pressure and expectation! Its bullshit IMO! |
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Post by Convictatthemac on May 1, 2019 14:05:32 GMT 1
You are correct that it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. However, he was done, cooked for a better word. I honestly thought he needed to leave for his own mental health. The bloke puts in 100% and nothing less. With DH away sick, I can only imagine the extra responsibility he took onboard, whether that was actual or perceived didn’t matter, but it all definitely built up on him and he was burnt out. I didn't see that at all and I don't see any evidence of it anywhere except for in the statement from the club?? If it were true it must be some recovery since he's about to take a much more higher profile job at a bigger club with much more pressure and expectation! Its bullshit IMO! I’ve watched so many DW interviews and you can see the difference in body language, in language and I could even see it in his appearance. His demeanor on the sideline had also changed. Not everyone will see another’s behavioral changes, sometimes the changes are minimal over time, other times is just that humans aren’t great at everything and they can miss obvious behavioral changes. Taking a much higher profile job over 3 months later just means he thinks he’s ready to go again. I’ll be interested to see if he follows his pattern at Schalke, 2-3 good years followed by a downturn. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 14:57:23 GMT 1
According to the sun he was axed!!!! How many more times he left! I wouldnt even get wound up about that. Everybody knows its a fictional printing paper |
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 15:24:40 GMT 1
I didn't see that at all and I don't see any evidence of it anywhere except for in the statement from the club?? If it were true it must be some recovery since he's about to take a much more higher profile job at a bigger club with much more pressure and expectation! Its bullshit IMO! I’ve watched so many DW interviews and you can see the difference in body language, in language and I could even see it in his appearance. His demeanor on the sideline had also changed. Not everyone will see another’s behavioral changes, sometimes the changes are minimal over time, other times is just that humans aren’t great at everything and they can miss obvious behavioral changes. Taking a much higher profile job over 3 months later just means he thinks he’s ready to go again. I’ll be interested to see if he follows his pattern at Schalke, 2-3 good years followed by a downturn. We'll agree to disagree  I put the minor changes down to frustration and losing week in week out, he'd have to be a robot not to have a different demeanour in those different circumstances but at no point did he look to be struggling mentally to me, not at all. Compare his demeanour to Lee Clark for example when things weren't going so well! Anyhow like you say it will be really interesting to see how he gets on. I cant see anything other than success but as in all areas of life sometimes things just click at one place and not the other so you never know. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 1, 2019 15:46:31 GMT 1
I think we all know he has the ability. It was obvious from day 1 that he is a great coach and a great person. I'm not convinced he has the mental capacity for top level management, he seemed to get absolutely caught up in the media circus in England, and looked a down trodden and beaten man 6 months into our first premier league campaign.... by the end it was the fairest thing to do, let him go as he looked absolutely beat up.Not sure what the press are like in Germany, but the pressure at a big club must be higher than that at town, where the crowd and club were all behind him, if we finished bottom or not. Look at the expectation on siewert and hes been given the juxtaposition of scenarios that David experienced at Town. Good luck to Wagner, he deserves the move and Deano has helped him massively by letting him refresh before a new summer challenge. Both reasons to be proud to be a huddersfield fan, and to have seen potentially a top manager at our club at all. I truly hope he can hack the other aspects of a top job as his coaching skills were obvious for all to see. to give the club and Dave an exit strategy that wouldn't make either look bad. He never looked stressed to me, he looked frustrated understandably but he wasn't stressed. He was still doing extra interviews with the major broadcasters right up to the end, he was fine. No way he resigned due to pressure or stress, I thought that was obvious. He resigned because his hands had been tied since the summer and he was fully prepared to stay til the summer, it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. Believe me, you are 100% wrong with this. Some people know some things, others know other things. I know a reasonable amount about WHY DW left. (PS Don't ask  ) |
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Post by brickthespecial on May 1, 2019 16:18:35 GMT 1
I suspect Waggers relationship with Olaf Rebbe will once it comes out in the wash be a major factor in the reason he was frustrated and took the decision to step out early. Good luck with Schalke a gritty ex mining area.
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Post by royrace on May 1, 2019 16:22:15 GMT 1
The whole pressure thing was made up wasn't it to give the club and Dave an exit strategy that wouldn't make either look bad. He never looked stressed to me, he looked frustrated understandably but he wasn't stressed. He was still doing extra interviews with the major broadcasters right up to the end, he was fine. No way he resigned due to pressure or stress, I thought that was obvious. He resigned because his hands had been tied since the summer and he was fully prepared to stay til the summer, it was the clubs decision for him to leave earlier. , you are 100% wrong with this. Some people know some things, others know other things. I know a reasonable amount about WHY DW left. (PS Don't ask ) Sorry I'm not having it Are we expected to believe he felt so under pressure that he wanted to quit even though he was achieving what the entire football world expected (ie Town would be crap and would be relegated by xmas)? Also surely if you're so stressed you cant carry on with the job its like a fairly urgent thing, you don't agree to wait 5 months!! Doesn't happen! Sorry, it's BS. The fact that as expected he's gonna be in another even more high pressure job imminently just confirms it IMO. I'd be interested to hear what you've been told but as always there's so much rumour and BS around you cant possibly know what you've been told is correct unless its from a very close source. The circumstances just don't add up to him leaving through stress, and by stress I mean genuine stress that makes you ill not the sort that is part and parcel of any high pressure, extremely well paid position with lots of responsibility. I could be wrong of course and he's made a miraculous recovery and decided taking a job at one of the biggest clubs in Germany with 5 times the expectation than at Town is the best CBT he could get  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 1, 2019 16:28:48 GMT 1
Believe me, you are 100% wrong with this. Some people know some things, others know other things. I know a reasonable amount about WHY DW left. (PS Don't ask ) Sorry I'm not having it Are we expected to believe he felt so under pressure that he wanted to quit even though he was achieving what the entire football world expected (ie Town would be crap and would be relegated by xmas)? Also surely if you're so stressed you cant carry on with the job its like a fairly urgent thing, you don't agree to wait 5 months!! Doesn't happen! Sorry, it's BS. The fact that as expected he's gonna be in another even more high pressure job imminently just confirms it IMO. I'd be interested to hear what you've been told but as always there's so much rumour and BS around you cant possibly know what you've been told is correct unless its from a very close source. The circumstances just don't add up to him leaving through stress, and by stress I mean genuine stress that makes you ill not the sort that is part and parcel of any high pressure, extremely well paid position with lots of responsibility. I could be wrong of course and he's made a miraculous recovery and decided taking a job at one of the biggest clubs in Germany with 5 times the expectation than at Town is the best CBT he could get . It is. |
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Post by nicovaesen on May 1, 2019 17:05:01 GMT 1
According to the sun he was axed!!!! How many more times he left! I wouldnt even get wound up about that. Everybody knows its a fictional printing paper Very true however, utter morons believe the tripe |
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Post by terracesider on May 1, 2019 17:27:04 GMT 1
The implication of you guys who are "in the know" is that David went due to the "pressure" of a very cushy extremely well-paid job?
A job that many who have experienced real pressure in "proper" jobs - I think of particularly of medical and rescue work - would have been very pleased to swap places with him.
If "pressure" exists in the world of football (extremely doubtful) I assume that the same conditions will apply at the new club?
Whatever the outcome of this I wish him well - he provided me and many others with two memorable seasons which rank in my book only slightly behind the period of Ian Greaves team '69 - '71.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 1, 2019 21:26:54 GMT 1
Providing he does get the job, you do wonder if DW will have got his timing just right again. Schalke recently announced a turnover of 350 million EUR for 2018 and although they do have debts of 150 million, they also have enough assets to keep the wolves from the door, i.e. backing from Gazprom (largest employer in Russia after the army) and their training ground facilities wouldn't look out of place in the blue side of Manchester, and are still to be further developed yet: schalke04.de/verein/berger-feld/das-bautagebuch/ Although this would be a fantastic move, at Schalke he'd be working against the massive weight of expectancy. Plus, on the face of it, they too are a little unsettled: they are still looking for a DoF, they've gone through about 8 chief coaches in as many years, and have enjoyed the reputation of being a "chaos club" ever since I can remember. Hope he does well, though - can't say I like Schalke particularly, but with him at the helm it'll be worth keeping an eye on what he might be doing there (it would still be surprise to me if he gets the job). Cant wait to see how he does. I'd be amazed if he wasn't a massive success but you never know, big difference in expectation etc as you say and bigger players. The thing is man management is just one of the things he excels in so I don't see that being a problem at all. I could genuinely see David Wagner going on to be our next Bill Shankly. Yes great call. I agree that Wagner could well become a “great”. I miss the fact that this guy is no longer at our club. Not only because he his the only manager I’ve ever 100% trusted but also because he is such a genuinely nice guy. |
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Post by bigtruck on May 1, 2019 21:36:12 GMT 1
Sorry I'm not having it Are we expected to believe he felt so under pressure that he wanted to quit even though he was achieving what the entire football world expected (ie Town would be crap and would be relegated by xmas)? Also surely if you're so stressed you cant carry on with the job its like a fairly urgent thing, you don't agree to wait 5 months!! Doesn't happen! Sorry, it's BS. The fact that as expected he's gonna be in another even more high pressure job imminently just confirms it IMO. I'd be interested to hear what you've been told but as always there's so much rumour and BS around you cant possibly know what you've been told is correct unless its from a very close source. The circumstances just don't add up to him leaving through stress, and by stress I mean genuine stress that makes you ill not the sort that is part and parcel of any high pressure, extremely well paid position with lots of responsibility. I could be wrong of course and he's made a miraculous recovery and decided taking a job at one of the biggest clubs in Germany with 5 times the expectation than at Town is the best CBT he could get . It is. Not having a dig in anyway but if you do have a source in the club you’ll also know if you wander round the club there will be 6 other close sources with 6 totally different insights into what’s going on. 😉😉 |
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Post by lorddriffield on May 1, 2019 23:12:53 GMT 1
Still no official statement on the Schalke 04 website although various newspapers are presuming he has the job. Makes me wonder why.
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Post by hartyhtfc on May 2, 2019 10:28:20 GMT 1
I wonder if there are any of our players Wagner may target to bring over with him? I'm sure plenty of our players would jump at the chance to follow Dave somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 11:41:59 GMT 1
I wonder if there are any of our players Wagner may target to bring over with him? I'm sure plenty of our players would jump at the chance to follow Dave somewhere. None of our players are good enough for Schalke in my opinion, not even Mooy. |
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Post by tobbyg on May 2, 2019 12:23:28 GMT 1
Kongolo definitely has all the attributes to make it at the top level.
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Post by bogart on May 2, 2019 12:55:03 GMT 1
Schalke still not guaranteed to avoid relegation so he might sit back until certain.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on May 2, 2019 15:28:16 GMT 1
Schalke still not guaranteed to avoid relegation so he might sit back until certain. I think you may well be right. After all, the press are saying there's only an agreement "in principle". That "principle" may still look a long way off if Stuttgart beat Hertha Berlin on Saturday :-) Nonetheless, a Schalke win on Sunday (attended by DW?) could also be of ironic relevance to Town fans - as we play Man Utd pretty much at the same time. So how funny would that be if Town failed to get the 2 goals needed to avoid the embarrassment of scoring the fewest amount of goals at home in English top-flight history, whilst one of the architects of said ignominy is being paraded around one of the biggest clubs in Germany. Deary, deary - but in a way, you'd have to laugh! |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 16:49:56 GMT 1
THE DAILY MIRROR. WAGNER THE FLOP!
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Post by Amigo on May 2, 2019 17:02:18 GMT 1
Actually unbelievable that someone could pass themselves as a journalist and type that. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 2, 2019 17:10:25 GMT 1
Actually unbelievable that someone could pass themselves as a journalist and type that. Mel Smooth probably wrote it 🤭 What a ridiculous thing to say! |
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I put the minor changes down to frustration and losing week in week out, he'd have to be a robot not to have a different demeanour in those different circumstances but at no point did he look to be struggling mentally to me, not at all. Compare his demeanour to Lee Clark for example when things weren't going so well! Anyhow like you say it will be really interesting to see how he gets on. I cant see anything other than success but as in all areas of life sometimes things just click at one place and not the other so you never know. 
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