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Post by Sio on Aug 17, 2020 19:05:25 GMT 1
It does sound sensible to have downgraded the original plans for upgrading Canalside. Such a shame that a big part of our community club facilities was closed permanently to supporters following a snobby report from Gary Lineker. Players who use the facility will come and go. Supporters using the facility were there for the long term. I so looked forward to driving in when the potholes had been repaired but now know that red letter day will never come The downgrade was supposed to be turning it from a 3-story to a 2-story wasn't it? We've ended up with a new pitch and a fancy gate. Unless the club comes out and releases the revised plans then I'm going to assume that any plans for a new building aren't going ahead. Everything about it screams amateur hour yet again. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2020 19:23:10 GMT 1
Given all the financial impact of Covid it screams sensible hour to me
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Post by dugnet on Aug 17, 2020 19:33:32 GMT 1
Given all the financial impact of Covid it screams sensible hour to me Agreed but the decision to downgrade the development must have been taken long before March this year. It's telling that from a fanfare of a press release that it appears a subject that is suitably avoided. There's probably a very sensible explanation but the fact it isn't discussed will always lead to questions. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 19:45:57 GMT 1
Nice to see Pritchard getting his own parking space. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2020 19:47:51 GMT 1
Given all the financial impact of Covid it screams sensible hour to me Agreed but the decision to downgrade the development must have been taken long before March this year. It's telling that from a fanfare of a press release that it appears a subject that is suitably avoided. There's probably a very sensible explanation but the fact it isn't discussed will always lead to questions. Sensible decision as soon as it was clear we were getting relegated from the Premier League. It must be tough for the club to discuss or publicise a downgrade so can understand the reluctance to publicise it. Sensible folk can easily make their own conclusions |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2020 19:59:05 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now
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Post by dugnet on Aug 17, 2020 19:59:35 GMT 1
Agreed but the decision to downgrade the development must have been taken long before March this year. It's telling that from a fanfare of a press release that it appears a subject that is suitably avoided. There's probably a very sensible explanation but the fact it isn't discussed will always lead to questions. Sensible decision as soon as it was clear we were getting relegated from the Premier League. It must be tough for the club to discuss or publicise a downgrade so can understand the reluctance to publicise it. Sensible folk can easily make their own conclusions I completely take the point but I also see nothing wring with being honest and up front. There's no shame is having to cut your cloth. I don't understand why, especially we did have the fanfare, someone couldn't have come out and said we are having to re-work our plans for Canalside. By not doing so it raises more questions, and to be fair to those who see it as a negative I understand their view. My concern about it is the communication angle. It's great to give people "good news" but it seems those in charge are less willing/adept at breaking less positive news. My take is that the club is slightly out of touch with the fans at the moment and this is just one example. I am puzzled as to why or how that has been allowed to happen but there is certainly a gap, which wasn't there a couple of years ago. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 17, 2020 20:00:26 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now Ahh that explains it..... The new building has been sublet to Nando's |
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Post by Sio on Aug 17, 2020 20:02:08 GMT 1
Given all the financial impact of Covid it screams sensible hour to me And this will be the excuse rolled out. What happened between March 2019 and March 2020? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 20:12:09 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now He’s hardly gonna say it’s shite, is he? 99% of what’s said in every football interview is just pure waffle |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 17, 2020 20:18:10 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now He’s hardly gonna say it’s shite, is he? 99% of what’s said in every football interview is just pure waffle It has changed a lot since he was last here. Thanks for enlightening me on player waffle though. They say you learn something new every day |
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Post by Galpharmer on Aug 17, 2020 20:28:32 GMT 1
Given all the financial impact of Covid it screams sensible hour to me Agreed but the decision to downgrade the development must have been taken long before March this year. It's telling that from a fanfare of a press release that it appears a subject that is suitably avoided. There's probably a very sensible explanation but the fact it isn't discussed will always lead to questions. The decision to give Dean his money back, sorry downgrade, was made way before we'd even heard of Covid. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Aug 17, 2020 20:29:26 GMT 1
Nice to see Pritchard getting his own parking space. Clap thingy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 21:39:01 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now it is andalthough i underestand some people feel let down they shoudnt be it is first class and i hope the club will let the fans have a look round that would shut a few up! |
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Post by RickDangerous on Aug 17, 2020 21:42:23 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now He pretty much summed it up at the end with.....the changing rooms are now more 'groomed'!! Kitman brookys been at them with the gloss! |
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 17, 2020 21:44:20 GMT 1
Danny Ward said he's amazed by the changes at Canalside and that it's a state of the art facility now He’s not going to say it’s bang average though is he Pete! |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 17, 2020 21:54:26 GMT 1
Agreed but the decision to downgrade the development must have been taken long before March this year. It's telling that from a fanfare of a press release that it appears a subject that is suitably avoided. There's probably a very sensible explanation but the fact it isn't discussed will always lead to questions. Sensible decision as soon as it was clear we were getting relegated from the Premier League. It must be tough for the club to discuss or publicise a downgrade so can understand the reluctance to publicise it. Sensible folk can easily make their own conclusions The club announced that we started work in mid feb 2019 - when we were as good as relegated www.htafc.com/news/2019/february/ppg-canalside-redevelopment-begins/ |
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Post by Mounié Talks on Aug 18, 2020 13:15:14 GMT 1
What happened to the money set aside for the project it was announce Feb 2019 so we must have budgeted for relegation. I have visited many training facilities for anyone to say is Works class is pure nonsense, Man City, St George’s Park, Hotspur way to name but a few are World Class ours is at best mid category 2.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 18, 2020 13:35:33 GMT 1
What happened to the money set aside for the project it was announce Feb 2019 so we must have budgeted for relegation. I have visited many training facilities for anyone to say is Works class is pure nonsense, Man City, St George’s Park, Hotspur way to name but a few are World Class ours is at best mid category 2. Works class for a working class club maybe? |
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Post by Mounié Talks on Aug 18, 2020 13:50:28 GMT 1
What happened to the money set aside for the project it was announce Feb 2019 so we must have budgeted for relegation. I have visited many training facilities for anyone to say is Works class is pure nonsense, Man City, St George’s Park, Hotspur way to name but a few are World Class ours is at best mid category 2. Works class for a working class club maybe? I am just upset about the Bowls green and am no longer being able to get a fry up there 😀 |
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Post by deo1 on Aug 18, 2020 14:41:25 GMT 1
Town shafted the fans and members of Canalside when they closed the doors to the public, shut the bar, gym, snooker tables and bowling greens. It was sold to the members that it would always be open to the public but town made the greedy league and didn’t need the peasants money to make Canalside sustainable. Now they’ve had to cut back due to poor results on the pitch and nightmare recruitment off the field resulted in us being relegated with a far worse squad as the one that won promotion.
I believe Hoyle owns Canalside and the land is on a long lease from Kirklees and he rents this facility to town With the option of the club buying it. I’d like to know the true facts of Canalside like who paid for the upgrades, who actually owns all of it and how much Town would have to pay to buy it along with how phase 2 will look once completed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 15:42:09 GMT 1
It doesn't surprise me one bit how many people are employed at the Canalside, you can see how clubs can easily get in to massive debt. I was a regular at the club before and after a game and loved the place. On one occasion when Dean Hoyle was doing a question and answers session, i always remember him saying to to one fan " do you realize how much it cost's to run a Premiership club" and the vast majority dont. Take Man City, they employ over 2,000 people on a match day and i believe at Spurs it's even more, it's not the days of the 60's/70's anymore it's crazy, every aspect of football has changed and changed for the worse as far as i am concerned. Is he thinking of buying into a Scottish club? |
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Post by artysid on Oct 17, 2020 11:30:31 GMT 1
Surely at the very least we deserve an explanation as to what has happened to what we were promised would be a state of the art multi-million pound legacy.
Who owns it? Who pays for it? How much is being invested? Have the plans been scaled down?
Drove past it yesterday. Not three years ago a welcoming place where I could have popped in for my lunch, now it looks more like a prison compound.
The secrecy surround what was once a fan asset which epitomised everything that was good about Huddersfield Town, symbolises everything that has happened to Huddersfield Town over the last few years
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Oct 17, 2020 11:49:53 GMT 1
Why do think you have a right to know what goes on in a privately owned business?
I know why you THINK you have a right but unless you have a financial stakeholding in Town or any other business I'm afraid you have no rights, other than those that are legally in force.
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Post by artysid on Oct 17, 2020 11:59:36 GMT 1
Why do think you have a right to know what goes on in a privately owned business? I know why you THINK you have a right but unless you have a financial stakeholding in Town or any other business I'm afraid you have no rights, other than those that are legally in force. Football Clubs are not like other Businesses. If you can't see that I can't make you see it. I've just paid £250 for a season ticket to help them survive. No other reason. I haven't done this for Wetherspoons, Cineworld, Easy jet. Have you? It's not about 'rights' it's about the Club retaining a customer loyalty no other business has - again if you can't see that I can't make you. I consider myself one of the more supportive supporters on here. So continue to bury your Head in the sand if you think people will put up with being treated like mushrooms for ever. People like me might be dispensable when the Club is thriving, but we're the ones they come to first with their begging bowls, lotteries, etc when they're strapped for cash. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Oct 17, 2020 12:03:30 GMT 1
Why do think you have a right to know what goes on in a privately owned business? I know why you THINK you have a right but unless you have a financial stakeholding in Town or any other business I'm afraid you have no rights, other than those that are legally in force. Football Clubs are not like other Businesses. If you can't see that I can't make you see it. I've just paid £250 for a season ticket to help them survive. No other reason. I haven't done this for Wetherspoons, Cineworld, Easy jet. Have you? It's not about 'rights' it's about the Club retaining a customer loyalty no other business has - again if you can't see that I can't make you. I consider myself one of the more supportive supporters on here. So continue to bury your Head in the sand if you think people will put up with being treated like mushrooms for ever. People like me might be dispensable when the Club is thriving, but we're the ones they come to first with their begging bowls, lotteries, etc when they're strapped for cash. You are what a supporter is all about, and it's very worrying if they are starting to lose you too. I'm an arsey negative bastard so it's kind of obvious that they'd upset me. If they start losing folk like you, they are in serious trouble. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 17, 2020 12:05:22 GMT 1
Why do think you have a right to know what goes on in a privately owned business? I know why you THINK you have a right but unless you have a financial stakeholding in Town or any other business I'm afraid you have no rights, other than those that are legally in force. That's exactly the attitude that seems to be coming from the top. It's true of course from a legal standpoint but its not conducive to running a successful business that relies on customer loyalty and certainly not a football club. Its the exact opposite to what Dean Hoyle brought when he took over which is bizarre considering hes still a 25% shareholder. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 17, 2020 12:14:49 GMT 1
Why do think you have a right to know what goes on in a privately owned business? I know why you THINK you have a right but unless you have a financial stakeholding in Town or any other business I'm afraid you have no rights, other than those that are legally in force. If that's the case then PH needs to drop the 'I'm just the custodian of the club' line if he's going to be so secretive & not keeping the fans in the loop on something so simple as the plans for the training ground. Something the fans were told over & over would be a lasting legacy from the Premier league. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 17, 2020 12:50:57 GMT 1
Surely at the very least we deserve an explanation as to what has happened to what we were promised would be a state of the art multi-million pound legacy. Who owns it? Who pays for it? How much is being invested? Have the plans been scaled down? Drove past it yesterday. Not three years ago a welcoming place where I could have popped in for my lunch, now it looks more like a prison compound. The secrecy surround what was once a fan asset which epitomised everything that was good about Huddersfield Town, symbolises everything that has happened to Huddersfield Town over the last few years I drove past the entrance last month when I came up north. Agree, it looks uninviting and the old car park area on the right hand side was still just dirt and shingle, completely unfinished. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Oct 17, 2020 13:22:35 GMT 1
Why do think you have a right to know what goes on in a privately owned business? I know why you THINK you have a right but unless you have a financial stakeholding in Town or any other business I'm afraid you have no rights, other than those that are legally in force. Football Clubs are not like other Businesses. If you can't see that I can't make you see it. I've just paid £250 for a season ticket to help them survive. No other reason. I haven't done this for Wetherspoons, Cineworld, Easy jet. Have you? It's not about 'rights' it's about the Club retaining a customer loyalty no other business has - again if you can't see that I can't make you. I consider myself one of the more supportive supporters on here. So continue to bury your Head in the sand if you think people will put up with being treated like mushrooms for ever. People like me might be dispensable when the Club is thriving, but we're the ones they come to first with their begging bowls, lotteries, etc when they're strapped for cash. Another point to your argument, I enrolled as a member at the then ICI Zeneca Club well over 30 years ago, for a few pounds a year it gave me a parking spot not too far from the ground ( I drive down Leeds Road from John Cotton / 3 Nuns end, and a chance to meet up with mates for a few drinks, a bite to eat, few games of snooker, watch the early kick off on telly and have a natter about football and Town in particular. I was genuinely gutted when that was taken from me, had it been any other business that had been involved I would have fought against it but because it was MY football club doing it and benefiting from doing so I accepted it. In the beginning the change was very much for the better, the facilities improved, certainly the catering and numbers attending soared, mainly to listen to Tog interview Dean and former Town players, then we had the PL years with the £100 a year to park followed by the “Fans no longer allowed” - I was going to put “Sorry, no fans” but to be honest it doesn’t fit. I’m sure there’ll be some comments to follow this similar to what we’ve already had, “What right have you got, it’s a business, you’re only a customer” etc etc but on a Town fans forum if that’s what you truly believe in a case like Canalside then I actually feel sorry for you, if you can’t see the problem and that a club that for years has promoted itself as a family, community and caring club is now behaving like a faceless, corporate entity then what hope have we. |
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