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Post by detox on Jul 1, 2020 11:54:18 GMT 1
Do we want a draw between Boro' and Hull ? keep them both in reach, or a Boro win ? def not a Hull win
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 1, 2020 12:31:08 GMT 1
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Jul 1, 2020 12:32:22 GMT 1
"Wigan have been placed into administration, the Championship club’s joint administrators have announced."
Points deduction?
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Post by Automatic(EPBS) on Jul 1, 2020 12:32:36 GMT 1
The first of many I fear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 12:32:51 GMT 1
And then there were 7. Wigan's 3 win's since restart means they are almost closer to the playoffs than the dropzone. A win tonight for Town will see us move up 3 places (albeit for 1 night until Hull and Boro face each other). Stoke's run in now looking trickier. And then there were 8 again.
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Post by teamofalanlees on Jul 1, 2020 12:33:52 GMT 1
Could end up being a circus down the bottom - 2/3 going down could be there through finances which on the one hand makes me relieved our chances are improving, but on the other seems kind of a shame...
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Post by muffinman on Jul 1, 2020 12:35:22 GMT 1
And then there were 7. Wigan's 3 win's since restart means they are almost closer to the playoffs than the dropzone. A win tonight for Town will see us move up 3 places (albeit for 1 night until Hull and Boro face each other). Stoke's run in now looking trickier. And then there were 8 again. Does this mean a points deduction this season though?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 12:40:35 GMT 1
And then there were 8 again. Does this mean a points deduction this season though? It does unless they finish in the bottom 3 without the deduction (unlikely now with 50 points), in which case the deduction would be next season. 12.3.1 If any Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, that Club shall be deducted 12 points. 12.3.2 If a Group Undertaking of a Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, then the Board shall have the power to impose upon the Club a deduction of 12 points scored or to be scored in the League Competition. In exercising this power the Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case and to: (a) such of the provisions of the Insolvency Act, the Competition Act 1998 and the Enterprise Act 2002 as are relevant and then in force; (b) the need to protect the integrity and continuity of the League Competition; (c) the reputation of The League and the need to promote the game of association football generally; and (d) the relationship between the Club and the Group Undertaking. 12.3.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.3.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.3.2: (a) during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately; (b) during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.3.4 shall apply; and (c) outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 12 points (including in the National League if appropriate). 12.3.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.3(b) apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction): (a) the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or (b) the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction. 12.3.5 For the avoidance of doubt, where a Club and/or Group Undertaking is subject to more than one of the procedures in Regulation 12.3.1 above during a process of compromising creditors (for example Administration followed by a Company Voluntary Arrangement), the Club shall only be deducted one set of 12 points, such deduction to apply with effect from the first Insolvency Event.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 1, 2020 12:56:32 GMT 1
12 points isn't it?
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Post by teamofalanlees on Jul 1, 2020 12:57:05 GMT 1
The above seems fair - no incentive to sort finances out if you're struggling for results otherwise...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 13:41:32 GMT 1
Updated the OP to add Wigan back in with an almost certain 12 points deduction. They probably need to win 4 of their last 6 to survive, although with their fixtures it looks possible.
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Post by 28901 on Jul 1, 2020 13:49:18 GMT 1
Do we want a draw between Boro' and Hull ? keep them both in reach, or a Boro win ? def not a Hull win Always a draw in these situations 1 point disappears into the ether
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Post by 28901 on Jul 1, 2020 13:50:40 GMT 1
We are going to be prepared for some serious stick if we go down below Wigan and they have a 12 points deduction
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Post by detox on Jul 1, 2020 14:33:45 GMT 1
interesting sky news interview with the Wigan Adminstrator...he said it does not look conorvirus related, in fact with furloughed staff, no match costs and deferred rent on the staium,Wigan have been better off during the virus outbreak. !
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jul 1, 2020 16:00:45 GMT 1
Just had a look at the league table and noticed that every team is averaging at least one point a game. Is this season unusual in that respect?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 16:10:31 GMT 1
A big week for Barnsley and Luton. They face each other tomorrow, if there's no winner in that then both could be virtually down by Sunday night.
Also you could have the situation where Wigan are technically relegated at the weekend, despite being outside the relegation zone.
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Post by jonbrno on Jul 6, 2020 16:35:16 GMT 1
A big week for Barnsley and Luton. They face each other tomorrow, if there's no winner in that then both could be virtually down by Sunday night. Also you could have the situation where Wigan are technically relegated at the weekend, despite being outside the relegation zone. Let's hope Barnsley and Luton draw and knacker themselves out at the same time. Best case scenario we could be 12 points clear of Luton by weekend. Worst case they could be level with us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 16:52:17 GMT 1
A big week for Barnsley and Luton. They face each other tomorrow, if there's no winner in that then both could be virtually down by Sunday night. Also you could have the situation where Wigan are technically relegated at the weekend, despite being outside the relegation zone. Let's hope Barnsley and Luton draw and knacker themselves out at the same time. Best case scenario we could be 12 points clear of Luton by weekend. Worst case they could be level with us. Yes it is "Must Win" for both of them on Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 22:20:03 GMT 1
Would add Birmingham to the list of relegation candidates.
Not won in 10, a manager who’s leaving at the end of the season, and their best player has already agreed to leave.
5 games left, all against teams with something still to play for.
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Post by griffa on Jul 6, 2020 22:41:30 GMT 1
Would add Birmingham to the list of relegation candidates. Not won in 10, a manager who’s leaving at the end of the season, and their best player has already agreed to leave. 5 games left, all against teams with something still to play for. I'd really like Birmingham to be relegated, just don't like the bastards! Why you ask, answer Terry Poole's broken leg & they relegated us! - UTT.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 6, 2020 22:49:39 GMT 1
Would add Birmingham to the list of relegation candidates. Not won in 10, a manager who’s leaving at the end of the season, and their best player has already agreed to leave. 5 games left, all against teams with something still to play for. I'd really like Birmingham to be relegated, just don't like the bastards! Why you ask, answer Terry Poole's broken leg & they relegated us! - UTT. And the season after that didn’t Bob Latchford do the same thing to Gary Pierce?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 6, 2020 22:56:46 GMT 1
I'd really like Birmingham to be relegated, just don't like the bastards! Why you ask, answer Terry Poole's broken leg & they relegated us! - UTT. And the season after that didn’t Bob Latchford do the same thing to Gary Pierce? Not Pierce, it was David Lawson's shoulder that Latchford dislocated or broke.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 6, 2020 23:27:29 GMT 1
And the season after that didn’t Bob Latchford do the same thing to Gary Pierce? Not Pierce, it was David Lawson's shoulder that Latchford dislocated or broke. Thanks. I wasn’t sure it was Lawson. 2 keepers in 2 seasons was remarkable!
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 6, 2020 23:52:18 GMT 1
Brum are a thoroughly unpleasant club with a thoroughly unpleasant bunch a twats supporting them, it would bring me great joy to watch them sink into League 1.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 7, 2020 9:50:41 GMT 1
What a bonkers division it has been this season. As of right now and accounting for remaining fixtures, this is the spread of positions that each team could finish (Wigan's points deduction not applied). 9 teams (8 if you discount Wigan) could still finish in the play-offs or get relegated.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 7, 2020 10:29:55 GMT 1
Barnsley - Luton draw tonight with them kicking lumps out of each other and a key player or two each getting straight reds will do nicely thanks.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 7, 2020 11:28:50 GMT 1
The Championship table since Boxing Day
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 7, 2020 12:17:56 GMT 1
What a bonkers division it has been this season. As of right now and accounting for remaining fixtures, this is the spread of positions that each team could finish (Wigan's points deduction not applied). 9 teams (8 if you discount Wigan) could still finish in the play-offs or get relegated. That doesn't take into account that some teams will play each other though. Anyone from Middlesbrough (3rd bottom) up could still finish above Millwall (9th), but a lot of those sides have to play against each other & so will inevitably take points off each other. Millwall are not just unlikely to be relegated - it is (barring any points deductions) impossible. Nonetheless, with just 5 games to go, anyone* from Birmingham up could (with a good run & a lot of luck elsewhere) still be promoted & anyone from Blackburn down could (with a bad run & results going against them) go down. Our opponents tonight are one of 6 sides that could still leave the division in either direction. Crazy how competitive this league is. * except Wigan
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 7, 2020 12:18:34 GMT 1
^^^What happens when nerds are furloughed & have a lot of time on their hands^^^
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 7, 2020 14:18:55 GMT 1
What a bonkers division it has been this season. As of right now and accounting for remaining fixtures, this is the spread of positions that each team could finish (Wigan's points deduction not applied). 9 teams (8 if you discount Wigan) could still finish in the play-offs or get relegated. That doesn't take into account that some teams will play each other though. Anyone from Middlesbrough (3rd bottom) up could still finish above Millwall (9th), but a lot of those sides have to play against each other & so will inevitably take points off each other. Millwall are not just unlikely to be relegated - it is (barring any points deductions) impossible. Nonetheless, with just 5 games to go, anyone* from Birmingham up could (with a good run & a lot of luck elsewhere) still be promoted & anyone from Blackburn down could (with a bad run & results going against them) go down. Our opponents tonight are one of 6 sides that could still leave the division in either direction. Crazy how competitive this league is. * except WiganI wondered that as well, but I asked the guy on Twitter and he says that it accounts for all remaining fixtures and not all teams being able to pick up maximum points. He is the Head of Data Analysis at the Press Association so I daren't push him further and risk showing myself up! Edit: I went back to him and he's since clarified that the table is in fact based purely on the max/min points per team and doesn't consider individual head-to-head fixtures
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