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Post by Sabre on Dec 21, 2023 17:59:03 GMT 1
Think the fans will fuck this right off ….
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Post by sabailand on Dec 21, 2023 18:39:52 GMT 1
Think the fans will fuck this right off …. Yeah, when people say the big clubs should fk off and join a ESL they forget the majority of fans opposed it, it was partly becasue of fan opposition the clubs shelved plans to join, of course if the idea is resurrected the fans feelings might not come into it as the people who actually attend games aren't all that important to the bigwigs.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 21, 2023 20:47:18 GMT 1
Both the Football Supporters Federation and the Government seem adamant that English clubs just won't be allowed to join a ESL, due to an independent regulator that doesn't actually exist yet. It would be pretty funny, to be fair, if it went ahead with all of the biggest names in European football - except the English ones. Can you imagine the supporters of UK clubs who want a ESL, moaning and blaming such a situation on Brexit… 😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 20:56:25 GMT 1
Both the Football Supporters Federation and the Government seem adamant that English clubs just won't be allowed to join a ESL, due to an independent regulator that doesn't actually exist yet. It would be pretty funny, to be fair, if it went ahead with all of the biggest names in European football - except the English ones. Can you imagine the supporters of UK clubs who want a ESL, moaning and blaming such a situation on Brexit… 😂 Ha. I didn't want to go political, let alone mention the "B" word - but that is what it comes down to, to a large extent. As someone who's completely ambivalent to "elite" level club football, I'll make like the Swiss and remain entirely neutral!
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Post by goodbet on Dec 21, 2023 21:52:43 GMT 1
Can you imagine the supporters of UK clubs who want a ESL, moaning and blaming such a situation on Brexit… 😂 Ha. I didn't want to go political, let alone mention the "B" word - but that is what it comes down to, to a large extent. As someone who's completely ambivalent to "elite" level club football, I'll make like the Swiss and remain entirely neutral! I'll make like the Swiss and take money off all sides, and let them run the game just like FIFA and not do any overview. This is the Swiss way
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Post by brighousebandbred on Dec 21, 2023 22:40:50 GMT 1
Currently pay for sky, but not that bothered about the PL . Can honestly say be happy to scrap my sky sports payments and see these greedy fuckers piss off to a super league. Even better they start showing more championship coverage . One things for sure that will be the last time I watch the scummy mega bucks clubs and pay for it. 👍🥳
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 22, 2023 1:11:13 GMT 1
Unless they involve Town, championship games on sky have no interest to me. Whos going to watch Preston v WBA unless youre a fan of one of the clubs? Not many I wouldn't think. I certainly wouldn't. But I watch PL games all the time, especially when the big clubs are playing.
And id imagine the viewing figures would show that Im in a huge majority in that sense.
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Post by softboy on Dec 22, 2023 2:16:29 GMT 1
Whilst I agree Preston v WBA is not particularly attractive to armchair fans neither is Luton v Palace or Burnley v Bournemouth which is why I guess the big clubs whole are want more of any money that is around.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Dec 22, 2023 7:15:32 GMT 1
I see that many clubs have been quick to come out with a statement to say that they have no wish to join any breakaway league, and that they are content with the status quo.
Town’s silence is deafening. Unlike me to speculate, but, could they…….
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Post by Wingman on Dec 22, 2023 11:01:37 GMT 1
The greedy clubs have come out against an ESL, just a week or so after the Premier League announces a new, near 7 billion pound multi-year tv deal.
Coincidence? Nooooooo.
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Post by mosher on Dec 22, 2023 11:28:31 GMT 1
Interference from the EU bringing the case against UEFA/FIFA? Well I never
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Post by huddshroom on Dec 22, 2023 11:35:45 GMT 1
Think the fans will fuck this right off …. Apart from people that actually go to games I think the rest of their fan bases wouldn't care. They don't make much money from the genuine fans.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 22, 2023 11:55:27 GMT 1
Think the fans will fuck this right off …. Apart from people that actually go to games I think the rest of their fan bases wouldn't care. They don't make much money from the genuine fans. Not only that, but they know for every match attending fan who decides to stop going if they did this, there will be 10 who'll happily snap up their seat.
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 22, 2023 12:06:14 GMT 1
Binned off Sky subscription years ago. No interest in greedy league.
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Post by Wingman on Dec 22, 2023 12:32:51 GMT 1
Just another musing on the greedy league/Sky theme. Amazon bottomed out of bidding for any packages for the next tv deal, and TNT Sports got the bum 12:30 Saturday deal. Sky got the rest.
The PL need Sky as much as Sky need the PL. If that relationship ever fractures I don’t see it repairing, so an ESL would be a huge bite of the hand that feeds them for the PL clubs. The PL won’t want to go into opposition v UEFA and eventually FIFA over any matters.
If the big clubs did depart, I wonder how that would irreparably damage the British game?
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Post by huddshroom on Dec 22, 2023 12:51:16 GMT 1
Just another musing on the greedy league/Sky theme. Amazon bottomed out of bidding for any packages for the next tv deal, and TNT Sports got the bum 12:30 Saturday deal. Sky got the rest. The PL need Sky as much as Sky need the PL. If that relationship ever fractures I don’t see it repairing, so an ESL would be a huge bite of the hand that feeds them for the PL clubs. The PL won’t want to go into opposition v UEFA and eventually FIFA over any matters. If the big clubs did depart, I wonder how that would irreparably damage the British game? I wouldn't mind it, might make an old school competitive English league again. Premier league is boring as it is. Anyway I don't think the Premier league would have the bolloxs to kick anyone out so it would carry on along side this, for a while anyway.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Dec 22, 2023 13:23:15 GMT 1
Think the fans will fuck this right off …. Yeah, when people say the big clubs should fk off and join a ESL they forget the majority of fans opposed it, it was partly becasue of fan opposition the clubs shelved plans to join, of course if the idea is resurrected the fans feelings might not come into it as the people who actually attend games aren't all that important to the bigwigs. The only fans the big clubs care about are the ones sat on the sofa paying to watch and ordering half and half scarves online at half time. Attendance revenue for clubs is a small percentage, they don’t give a shit I’m afraid Until there is some kind of regulatory protection for it being a a sport with a long and great cultural heritage, the economic self interests of the big clubs will always win out
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 22, 2023 13:43:19 GMT 1
Just another musing on the greedy league/Sky theme. Amazon bottomed out of bidding for any packages for the next tv deal, and TNT Sports got the bum 12:30 Saturday deal. Sky got the rest. The PL need Sky as much as Sky need the PL. If that relationship ever fractures I don’t see it repairing, so an ESL would be a huge bite of the hand that feeds them for the PL clubs. The PL won’t want to go into opposition v UEFA and eventually FIFA over any matters. If the big clubs did depart, I wonder how that would irreparably damage the British game? They arent actually suggesting the big clubs depart though. Isnt the idea that they play a European league to replace the Champions League, but each club still plays in its domestic league? Sky dont have the CL anyway so as it stands I doubt it would effect them much in that respect. The extra games though ( presuming each team plays the others in the division home and away ) would be about 40..like playing 2 PL seasons intertwined...almost 80 league games a season! That seems totally unviable anyway and would certainly put an end to those clubs fielding anything but their reserves in domestic cups. I could see a European super league working alongside domestic leagues if it was something like 10 clubs per division..with promotion and relegation from one to the other. theres nothing to fear from that and ( very ) theoretically a club like town could get into it. The downside is the big clubs get even wealthier and the gap between them and the rest gets ever wider, but with proper governance they could be made to pay a decent share of that extra revenue back into the domestic pyramid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 13:50:46 GMT 1
I think the main driving factors are Madrid and Barca not backing down over this as they're skint. Barca have sold off their future earnings in a sense too and are relying on loans and free transfer.
Italy isn't awash with money either..
I won't be watching the above, I don't even watch champions league games unless it the very end and an english side is competing.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 22, 2023 14:02:06 GMT 1
Just another musing on the greedy league/Sky theme. Amazon bottomed out of bidding for any packages for the next tv deal, and TNT Sports got the bum 12:30 Saturday deal. Sky got the rest. The PL need Sky as much as Sky need the PL. If that relationship ever fractures I don’t see it repairing, so an ESL would be a huge bite of the hand that feeds them for the PL clubs. The PL won’t want to go into opposition v UEFA and eventually FIFA over any matters. If the big clubs did depart, I wonder how that would irreparably damage the British game? They arent actually suggesting the big clubs depart though. Isnt the idea that they play a European league to replace the Champions League, but each club still plays in its domestic league? Sky dont have the CL anyway so as it stands I doubt it would effect them much in that respect. The extra games though ( presuming each team plays the others in the division home and away ) would be about 40..like playing 2 PL seasons intertwined...almost 80 league games a season! That seems totally unviable anyway and would certainly put an end to those clubs fielding anything but their reserves in domestic cups. I could see a European super league working alongside domestic leagues if it was something like 10 clubs per division..with promotion and relegation from one to the other. theres nothing to fear from that and ( very ) theoretically a club like town could get into it. The downside is the big clubs get even wealthier and the gap between them and the rest gets ever wider, but with proper governance they could be made to pay a decent share of that extra revenue back into the domestic pyramid. Proper governance? More chance of us winning tomorrow!!!
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Post by shawsie on Dec 22, 2023 14:09:22 GMT 1
Unless they involve Town, championship games on sky have no interest to me. Whos going to watch Preston v WBA unless youre a fan of one of the clubs? Not many I wouldn't think. I certainly wouldn't. But I watch PL games all the time, especially when the big clubs are playing. And id imagine the viewing figures would show that Im in a huge majority in that sense. I'm the total opposite. I genuinely have little interest in much that goes on in the Prem as its fast becoming a closed shop for overseas money. The same is sadly true in cricket, golf, F1 etc - its no longer about the actual game or competitive sport and they are simply now a business for investment which is sad really. On the positive side, non league football is having a resurgence in attendances driven perhaps by many fans either not being able to get tickets at league clubs or simply seeking a different experience. Will be interested to see if the Super League concept starts to become truly global and includes US/Saudi/Chinese clubs in due course. Cant help but think it has to given the monies needed to make it work. One thing is for sure - the free streaming quoted in the marketing wont exist for long!!!
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 22, 2023 14:10:39 GMT 1
As others have alluded, the money comes from TV deals not bums on seats. If all the true and loyal fans decided not go to these matches out of protest, there are thousands of new generation fans waiting to take their place. Fans who currently cannot go to a Man Utd home game. Funnily enough I see a direct correlation to this and LIV golf, only the Govt did not turn around and say, our golfers can only play on the US/European tour.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Dec 22, 2023 14:52:37 GMT 1
Quite happy for the Big clubs to leave for a super league. I would have 0 percent interest in watching it and the PL would become much more competitive. Bring it on .
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Post by twyford on Dec 22, 2023 15:30:38 GMT 1
Quite happy for the Big clubs to leave for a super league. I would have 0 percent interest in watching it and the PL would become much more competitive. Bring it on . Don't disagree with your sentiment but this season is potentially one of the more competitive PL seasons there will have been. Table was topped by Newcastle, Brighton and Spurs early on before reverting to a more familiar Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal but Villa now have a chance to go top despite losing 5-1 on the opening day.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 22, 2023 16:38:55 GMT 1
Unless they involve Town, championship games on sky have no interest to me. Whos going to watch Preston v WBA unless youre a fan of one of the clubs? Not many I wouldn't think. I certainly wouldn't. But I watch PL games all the time, especially when the big clubs are playing. And id imagine the viewing figures would show that Im in a huge majority in that sense. I'm the total opposite. I genuinely have little interest in much that goes on in the Prem as its fast becoming a closed shop for overseas money. The same is sadly true in cricket, golf, F1 etc - its no longer about the actual game or competitive sport and they are simply now a business for investment which is sad really. On the positive side, non league football is having a resurgence in attendances driven perhaps by many fans either not being able to get tickets at league clubs or simply seeking a different experience.Will be interested to see if the Super League concept starts to become truly global and includes US/Saudi/Chinese clubs in due course. Cant help but think it has to given the monies needed to make it work. One thing is for sure - the free streaming quoted in the marketing wont exist for long!!! I can believe that. Since I moved north ive been to quite a few games at Darlington and Spennymoor. The quality is 'ok' usually and its a great experience. You can even stand by the pitch watching the game with your pint! Think the top flight has largely been a closed shop for a long time, since before the PL even started. Probably have to go back to the era the maximum wage was abolished for when it was truly competitive with clubs like Ipswich, Burnley and Wolves winning it. 8 different clubs won the title in the 1960s in the immediate aftermath of that and as the effects really took hold ( success going to the wealthiest clubs) that number steadily declined since. 6 in the 1970s 4 in the 1980s 5 in the 1990s 3 in the 2000s 4 in the 2010s and so far 2 this decade But that said I think the PL is brilliant to watch. The best club football there is.
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Post by Wingman on Dec 22, 2023 18:33:15 GMT 1
Just another musing on the greedy league/Sky theme. Amazon bottomed out of bidding for any packages for the next tv deal, and TNT Sports got the bum 12:30 Saturday deal. Sky got the rest. The PL need Sky as much as Sky need the PL. If that relationship ever fractures I don’t see it repairing, so an ESL would be a huge bite of the hand that feeds them for the PL clubs. The PL won’t want to go into opposition v UEFA and eventually FIFA over any matters. If the big clubs did depart, I wonder how that would irreparably damage the British game? They arent actually suggesting the big clubs depart though. Isnt the idea that they play a European league to replace the Champions League, but each club still plays in its domestic league? Sky dont have the CL anyway so as it stands I doubt it would effect them much in that respect. The extra games though ( presuming each team plays the others in the division home and away ) would be about 40..like playing 2 PL seasons intertwined...almost 80 league games a season! That seems totally unviable anyway and would certainly put an end to those clubs fielding anything but their reserves in domestic cups. I could see a European super league working alongside domestic leagues if it was something like 10 clubs per division..with promotion and relegation from one to the other. theres nothing to fear from that and ( very ) theoretically a club like town could get into it. The downside is the big clubs get even wealthier and the gap between them and the rest gets ever wider, but with proper governance they could be made to pay a decent share of that extra revenue back into the domestic pyramid. True and fair comment. I think that the ESL would be a step closer to there being an eventual exit of some clubs from national leagues into a permanent Euro league - all moolah related.
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Post by sabailand on Dec 22, 2023 18:53:24 GMT 1
I think the main driving factors are Madrid and Barca not backing down over this as they're skint. Barca have sold off their future earnings in a sense too and are relying on loans and free transfer. Italy isn't awash with money either.. I won't be watching the above, I don't even watch champions league games unless it the very end and an english side is competing. I dont either tbh, all those group games bore the arse off me, its become a joke competition and just a financial sop to the big European clubs.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Dec 22, 2023 19:05:54 GMT 1
As others have alluded, the money comes from TV deals not bums on seats. If all the true and loyal fans decided not go to these matches out of protest, there are thousands of new generation fans waiting to take their place. Fans who currently cannot go to a Man Utd home game. Funnily enough I see a direct correlation to this and LIV golf, only the Govt did not turn around and say, our golfers can only play on the US/European tour. If tv money is the driving force they don’t have to worry about bums on seats anyway so won’t care if the stadiums aren’t full. I couldn’t care less if the super league creates more pay per view , it won’t interest me in the slightest so at least I will save money as I won’t be contributing towards any tv rights, and the more I think about it the more I actually want it to happen . A league full of money teams run by multi billionaires out of my sight , so I can enjoy a more competitive English pyramid. Bring it on please.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 22, 2023 19:39:22 GMT 1
Well Fifa have not done a great job of marketing the club world final. I cannot watch it here in the USA on any of the regular platforms. Useless wankers.
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Post by Wingman on Dec 22, 2023 20:37:24 GMT 1
Unless they involve Town, championship games on sky have no interest to me. Whos going to watch Preston v WBA unless youre a fan of one of the clubs? Not many I wouldn't think. I certainly wouldn't. But I watch PL games all the time, especially when the big clubs are playing. And id imagine the viewing figures would show that Im in a huge majority in that sense. I'm the total opposite. I genuinely have little interest in much that goes on in the Prem as its fast becoming a closed shop for overseas money. The same is sadly true in cricket, golf, F1 etc - its no longer about the actual game or competitive sport and they are simply now a business for investment which is sad really. On the positive side, non league football is having a resurgence in attendances driven perhaps by many fans either not being able to get tickets at league clubs or simply seeking a different experience. Will be interested to see if the Super League concept starts to become truly global and includes US/Saudi/ Chinese clubs in due course. Cant help but think it has to given the monies needed to make it work. One thing is for sure - the free streaming quoted in the marketing wont exist for long!!!
The Chinese league had a go but they soon had the rug pulled from under them by the government. There was a decent article about this on the BBC a few weeks ago: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67509606
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