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Post by k1man999 on Jan 18, 2024 16:10:31 GMT 1
If we are to play 2 up top I guess we are sticking with a 532 where's sorba gonna play to provide the ammunition ( not wing back he's not v good there) I think the players will need to be more mobile regarding formation. No reason why a 4 with Spencer and Nakayama out wide can’t shift to a three if required and the winger drop back to cover, or Hogg or Matos drop back to make up numbers. One of the reasons we struggle is because the current squad are not good at that, and they can be a bit rigid to their positions because they are not very confident. Hopefully better players throughout the team will allow us to change shape as required. Most managed it under Carlos |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 18, 2024 16:12:40 GMT 1
Why do people care how much of Kev Nagle’s money is being spent? I seem to remember people saying similar about Dean Hoyle spending 'his' money...until it suddenly became 'our' money he'd been spending once we made the prem. 100 pound season tickets and free pints all of a sudden didn’t seem quite so generous |
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Post by Maynardblue on Jan 18, 2024 16:15:47 GMT 1
I'm not whingeing at all, I'm very pleased in fact. Just pointing out that it's not necessarily Nagles money that we're spending hence why people might have a concern about 'paying over the odds' If its not Nagles money, then who's could it be? they are very nice letting him spend their money if its someone elses ? It's adding to club debt, just in the same way all those wasted millions in league one added to club debt. That's exactly how clubs operate even man city. Not saying its a problem merely answering the original question of why people care what Nagle does with 'his' money. We've been stung before haven't we - the very reason why our premier league 'legacy' has been living in the championship poor house. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 18, 2024 16:18:37 GMT 1
If its not Nagles money, then who's could it be? they are very nice letting him spend their money if its someone elses ? It's adding to club debt, just in the same way all those wasted millions in league one added to club debt. That's exactly how clubs operate even man city. Not saying its a problem merely answering the original question of why people care what Nagle does with 'his' money. We've been stung before haven't we - the very reason why our premier league 'legacy' has been living in the championship poor house. true i am just hoping that Nagle is starting to bring us out of the "poore house". |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 18, 2024 16:19:18 GMT 1
If its not Nagles money, then who's could it be? they are very nice letting him spend their money if its someone elses ? It's adding to club debt, just in the same way all those wasted millions in league one added to club debt. That's exactly how clubs operate even man city. Not saying its a problem merely answering the original question of why people care what Nagle does with 'his' money. We've been stung before haven't we - the very reason why our premier league 'legacy' has been living in the championship poor house. To be fair I get no enjoyment out of seeing us break even with Hudlin up front and Edwards at the back. |
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 18, 2024 16:23:40 GMT 1
If we are to play 2 up top I guess we are sticking with a 532 where's sorba gonna play to provide the ammunition ( not wing back he's not v good there) Not v good there, I would argue that this was where he was at his best under CC he played RWB and was excellent I am sure for most 2021 and into 2022, for me Sorba is much better running from deep than he is further forward. Not for me defensive positioning is poor better in final 3rd He did play WB occasionally as cover but Turton n pipa generally played WB/RB |
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Post by davethesprout on Jan 18, 2024 16:28:58 GMT 1
Warnock liked him, Warnock wanted him - good enough for me... He played 85 minutes for Watford in the win @ QPR , Ince came on for the remaining 5 |
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Post by markthehorn on Jan 18, 2024 16:31:18 GMT 1
Tbf I was quite pleased when we signed him as he does have a good scoring record so as a free seemed like a decent punt despite some injuries .
Unfortunately not really had many games as the manager prefers a big man up top but has scored a couple of key goals .
Guess 2 million is too much to turn down and he probably feels a move will get him more games .
No doubt will score at the Vic when you come !
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Post by castlehillterrier on Jan 18, 2024 16:45:52 GMT 1
Not v good there, I would argue that this was where he was at his best under CC he played RWB and was excellent I am sure for most 2021 and into 2022, for me Sorba is much better running from deep than he is further forward. Not for me defensive positioning is poor better in final 3rd He did play WB occasionally as cover but Turton n pipa generally played WB/RB no the team was very much like below many many weeks, pretty sure Sorba played RWB more than any other position that season, some stat King will tell us... I am sure he got the most assists in the league this season and many were from RWB. Nicholls Pearson Lees Colwill Sorba Toffs LOB HOGG Sinani Ward Koroma |
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Post by royrace on Jan 18, 2024 17:06:37 GMT 1
Not for me defensive positioning is poor better in final 3rd He did play WB occasionally as cover but Turton n pipa generally played WB/RB no the team was very much like below many many weeks, pretty sure Sorba played RWB more than any other position that season, some stat King will tell us... I am sure he got the most assists in the league this season and many were from RWB. Nicholls Pearson Lees Colwill Sorba Toffs LOB HOGG Sinani Ward Koroma I think Sorba is good at wingback personally, especially with a strong defensive three. |
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Post by royrace on Jan 18, 2024 17:07:44 GMT 1
The last fella we got from Watford has done ok for us  Hungbo also good on loan. |
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Post by dezzly on Jan 18, 2024 17:13:21 GMT 1
I wouldn’t be massively surprised to see Spencer played at rcb now tbh.if sorba is to be a wing back that is.
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Post by terryya on Jan 18, 2024 17:14:14 GMT 1
Sounds a lot for a 29 year old who's mainly played in the lower leagues. Rickie Lambert anyone? |
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Post by kayeb222 on Jan 18, 2024 17:24:52 GMT 1
Has he had his Medical yet? And more importantly has he been on the training pitch yet as there are a lot of those knock things lying around that players seem to pick up. You'd think Town would have erected a sign by now reading "Beware of the knocks,if you see one DO NOT attempt to pick it up"! |
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Post by Yesss on Jan 18, 2024 17:42:01 GMT 1
They can't win! 😂 Whinge when we spend, whinge when we don't! At least the guy is showing some ambition FFS I'm not whingeing at all, I'm very pleased in fact. Just pointing out that it's not necessarily Nagles money that we're spending hence why people might have a concern about 'paying over the odds' Shall we take that you’re pleased about this scenario that he’s signed then along with the Dutch defender?🤣 |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 18, 2024 17:50:31 GMT 1
Sounds a lot for a 29 year old who's mainly played in the lower leagues. Rickie Lambert anyone? I get that. Nowhere near Lamberts record though on paper. Will happily reserve judgement when I've seen him play though. And delighted that we finally seem to be prepared to spend money. |
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Post by terryya on Jan 18, 2024 18:03:15 GMT 1
I get that. Nowhere near Lamberts record though on paper. Will happily reserve judgement when I've seen him play though. And delighted that we finally seem to be prepared to spend money. To be honest, I've absolutely no idea who this guy is or what he's done previously. Like you I'm glad we're looking to spend some cash and hope we spend it wisely. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 18, 2024 19:10:37 GMT 1
Apologies if I have seemed negative on this thread and the derail of the Radulovic thread.
I personally feel that already people have got high expectations of this fella. I don't need to go into the reasons why I am not 'excited' by this one, as I would only be repeating myself and at the end of the day, it is only my opinion. I hope he is a success if he signs, I will cheer him etc.
It is just a gut feeling I have that it won't work out.
I was excited with Radulovic, Matos and now Balker, some of you may not be.
Bottom line is, Kev has shown trust in those responsible and is clearly giving them money to establish what they need. He can do whatever he wants with his money, we will all have opinions on that, whether we agree it is spent correctly or not.
Hope I can enjoy my humble pie in the near future!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 19:13:04 GMT 1
I think the players will need to be more mobile regarding formation. No reason why a 4 with Spencer and Nakayama out wide can’t shift to a three if required and the winger drop back to cover, or Hogg or Matos drop back to make up numbers. One of the reasons we struggle is because the current squad are not good at that, and they can be a bit rigid to their positions because they are not very confident. Hopefully better players throughout the team will allow us to change shape as required. Most managed it under Carlos We had O’Brien, Toffolo and Colwill. Without them I think we would have been pretty static. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 18, 2024 19:13:07 GMT 1
Sounds a lot for a 29 year old who's mainly played in the lower leagues. Rickie Lambert anyone? Chalk and cheese. Lambert was prolific in English football. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 18, 2024 19:17:49 GMT 1
Sounds a lot for a 29 year old who's mainly played in the lower leagues. Rickie Lambert anyone? At 42 years old I think he's too old even for us to consider signing. |
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Post by utttrooper on Jan 18, 2024 19:21:34 GMT 1
At 42 years old I think he's too old even for us to consider signing. We'll sign him if he's injured |
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Post by specialun on Jan 18, 2024 19:53:21 GMT 1
Most managed it under Carlos We had O’Brien, Toffolo and Colwill. Without them I think we would have been pretty static. Agree - 3 players who would have walked onto any championship team As critical as we are of Moore (rightly) he doesn’t have that luxury |
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Post by specialun on Jan 18, 2024 19:59:56 GMT 1
£2m for a 29 year old without a record in England above league 1 does seem an expensive gamble but we are in that position if Burgzorg out & Ward stop out?
Flip side is he’s been a long term target - he’s also got a record of playing in England which Bojan / Balker don’t
Clearly we’re buying to play 532.
Moore will have to improve / deliver results quick with all the investment
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Post by Tiro on Jan 18, 2024 20:02:33 GMT 1
I think the key point everyone seems to be missing is ‘up to’ £2m. That may not be the total fee we part with. But if some is based on performance (I.e. goals) then surely we won’t care and it will seem value.
No?
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 18, 2024 20:07:56 GMT 1
Apologies if I have seemed negative on this thread and the derail of the Radulovic thread. I personally feel that already people have got high expectations of this fella. I don't need to go into the reasons why I am not 'excited' by this one, as I would only be repeating myself and at the end of the day, it is only my opinion. I hope he is a success if he signs, I will cheer him etc. It is just a gut feeling I have that it won't work out. I was excited with Radulovic, Matos and now Balker, some of you may not be. Bottom line is, Kev has shown trust in those responsible and is clearly giving them money to establish what they need. He can do whatever he wants with his money, we will all have opinions on that, whether we agree it is spent correctly or not. Hope I can enjoy my humble pie in the near future! I hope it's quite soon. Umble pie can be very tasty. I'm minded of the summer when we signed Rhodes, Novak, Simpson and another striker,(whose name escapes me) If I remember correctly Simpson and the other one were generally expected to be the first choices and started the first game. We all know what happened. You can never tell how these signings are going to go. A simple tap in in his first game can set a striker up for the season at a new club when he may have struggled for his previous. I see Chris Wood scored last night - the striker that was in a "worst team of all time" according to Barnsley fans after his spell there. See also Lucas J. for us. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 18, 2024 20:11:32 GMT 1
Apologies if I have seemed negative on this thread and the derail of the Radulovic thread. I personally feel that already people have got high expectations of this fella. I don't need to go into the reasons why I am not 'excited' by this one, as I would only be repeating myself and at the end of the day, it is only my opinion. I hope he is a success if he signs, I will cheer him etc. It is just a gut feeling I have that it won't work out. I was excited with Radulovic, Matos and now Balker, some of you may not be. Bottom line is, Kev has shown trust in those responsible and is clearly giving them money to establish what they need. He can do whatever he wants with his money, we will all have opinions on that, whether we agree it is spent correctly or not. Hope I can enjoy my humble pie in the near future! I hope it's quite soon. Umble pie can be very tasty. I'm minded of the summer when we signed Rhodes, Novak, Simpson and another striker,(whose name escapes me) If I remember correctly Simpson and the other one were generally expected to be the first choices and started the first game. We all know what happened. You can never tell how these signings are going to go. A simple tap in in his first game can set a striker up for the season at a new club when he may have struggled for his previous. I see Chris Wood scored last night - the striker that was in a "worst team of all time" according to Barnsley fans after his spell there. See also Lucas J. for us. Theo 😉 |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 18, 2024 20:21:44 GMT 1
I think the key point everyone seems to be missing is ‘up to’ £2m. That may not be the total fee we part with. But if some is based on performance (I.e. goals) then surely we won’t care and it will seem value. No? I hope so! It should, alwayz |
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Post by Kirchenglocken on Jan 18, 2024 20:46:27 GMT 1
Chalk and cheese. Lambert was prolific in English football. Lambert had 105 goals in 307 league games before signing for Southampton. Healey has 38 goals in 107 league games in English football, 32 in 99 if not counting non-league. Counting all leagues he has 91 goals in 204 league games. 1 in 3 excluding his time in France, closer to 1 in 2 but not quite if we include it. Minutes wise I've no idea and the stats are relying on both Wikipedia and my typing into the calculator being accurate 🤔😁 Not here to convince you I just thought it might be interesting for you/some. Big thing I see is Lambert was at that point 27, so 2 years less playing yet had amassed over a hundred league games more. It's for this reason I understand concerns at the Healey price tag, though I am not fully aware if he has always had injury issues or if it is just 2 or 3 pretty bad ones/not being picked that's meant he hasn't played too many games in his career to date. Healey signing and playing in 40 odd league games next season is unlikely to happen, but as one of hopefully 3 or so decent options up top I would think he will be able to contribute quite nicely to our goals tally. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 18, 2024 20:48:32 GMT 1
£2m would have got Carlton Morris recently….
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Hungbo also good on loan.
