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Post by dezzly on Jan 19, 2024 7:31:23 GMT 1
I think he will be a very good buy. Even if it's the reported fee (i doubt), sometimes a player is worth the fee for the contract length - even if they walk away at the end of it. people get a bit obsessed with resale.. its good to have some players we can develop and sell on in the squad, but feel we need a slightly better balance than we have had under the previous plan; which seemed to be spend on 'project players' then scrabble for free/past it signings. Its refreshing to see, He will be in his prime and therfore likely to benefit the 'project players' Great post.We haven’t really spent money for a while now but like you say we’ve been pretty much all or nothing in terms of age range.Not many players have we signed you would consider to be in their best years.There is risk with spending a bit more money obviously,but there is also risk with project signings and signing players at the older end. I do hope we still look to pick up the likes of the sorbas etc but feel like the long goal is to get the academy back up to category 2 and produce our own project players. You have to continually sign for the here and now though and not just players of a certain age who will keep you in the division(just) Should we manage to stay up already the first team squad looks like it has more players between 23/4 and 28/9 whereas for the last few years it’s generally been a batch at 19/20 and another at 31/32 and above. Like you say it’s about balance,we are unlikely to ever be paying anything really above the quoted 2million of Healey(not that I think he will ever cost that) so there will be players we can pick up in their mid twenties in the 500k-1.5m bracket would will excel and they will have a good resale value anyway. Just to add,there may also be a line of thinking from the club that should we actually get relegated that it will be difficult to sign players of a certain level.The ones we are making seem to be of a certain profile and ones that maybe wouldn’t immediately jump ship should that happen,therefore we should be very strong should we drop down.Obviously you would lose a few of the ones already at the club but at least for a year the new recruits maybe more likely to stay.I’m aware no one wants this it’s just a thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 7:35:24 GMT 1
I'm very excited for this one, minutes per goal is good.
He's a striker, not a winger.
We need first team ready players and he is exactly that - brought in to play, not as a punt/project.
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Post by dezzly on Jan 19, 2024 7:38:36 GMT 1
I can't see what's not to like, his goals to game ratio is pretty decent. Hope we get this one over the line. Agreed.iv seen mixed opinions from Watford fans.You will always get that.If you took virtually every player we have and asked fans opinion they would be wide ranging! I think the general consensus and probably feelings of the club are that he suits playing in a two(which tells you we will carry on with that) and that he makes good runs and can finish.The downside is maybe he’s not the most physical,though if he’s with Bojan or the likes will he have to be.Looked to me like he had a yard of pace but that’s from clips in Frances second tier and league 1 so hard to compare.I still feel we need someone to pick those runs out from midfield but maybe that will have to be for the summer. Let’s say he plays 80-85 games over the two and a half year contract and scores 30-35 goals I’d suggest that was money well spent. |
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Post by Norn Iron Terrier on Jan 19, 2024 7:58:07 GMT 1
If it is £1-2m we maybe factoring in how much value it adds to other players in the team. If Sorba's crosses started getting converted into goals then it could easily add that much and more onto his value. It starts to allow players to go into their natural positions which hopefully their better/more valuable at for the team and increase the overall squad performance/value.
(Are we selling any player and this is a 'splurge' to pacify an outgoing player? Like when Boothy went)
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Post by DuncShearer* on Jan 19, 2024 8:23:31 GMT 1
If it is £1-2m we maybe factoring in how much value it adds to other players in the team. If Sorba's crosses started getting converted into goals then it could easily add that much and more onto his value. It starts to allow players to go into their natural positions which hopefully their better/more valuable at for the team and increase the overall squad performance/value. (Are we selling any player and this is a 'splurge' to pacify an outgoing player? Like when Boothy went) Rumours of Helik to Leicester bloody hope not ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 8:23:37 GMT 1
I think the players will need to be more mobile regarding formation. No reason why a 4 with Spencer and Nakayama out wide can’t shift to a three if required and the winger drop back to cover, or Hogg or Matos drop back to make up numbers. One of the reasons we struggle is because the current squad are not good at that, and they can be a bit rigid to their positions because they are not very confident. Hopefully better players throughout the team will allow us to change shape as required. We’ve got Darren Moore, not Pep. There’s not a tactic in sight. Patience grasshopper |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 19, 2024 8:26:25 GMT 1
If it is £1-2m we maybe factoring in how much value it adds to other players in the team. If Sorba's crosses started getting converted into goals then it could easily add that much and more onto his value. It starts to allow players to go into their natural positions which hopefully their better/more valuable at for the team and increase the overall squad performance/value. (Are we selling any player and this is a 'splurge' to pacify an outgoing player? Like when Boothy went) Rumours of Helik to Leicester bloody hope not ! That'll cost them a bob or two. |
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Post by leroy212 on Jan 19, 2024 8:29:40 GMT 1
Rumours of Helik to Leicester bloody hope not ! That'll cost them a bob or two. 6-8 million. Probably one of better center backs in the league |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 8:52:12 GMT 1
That'll cost them a bob or two. 6-8 million. Probably one of better center backs in the league He is the only one I see as a possible sale, annd I hope he doesn’t go. Unfortunately if that happens our back line won’t have improved, unless we have another CB in the pipeline. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 19, 2024 8:58:57 GMT 1
6-8 million. Probably one of better center backs in the league He is the only one I see as a possible sale, annd I hope he doesn’t go. Unfortunately if that happens our back line won’t have improved, unless we have another CB in the pipeline. It’ll weaken our back line and our front line |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 19, 2024 9:20:22 GMT 1
We should be building our team around Helik, make him captain whatever. I’d be surprised if Leicester think he’s good enough for when they inevitably go up as unlike us they expect to be mid table Prem you’d think
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Post by omegasupreme on Jan 19, 2024 9:21:35 GMT 1
I seem to remember people saying similar about Dean Hoyle spending 'his' money...until it suddenly became 'our' money he'd been spending once we made the prem. They can't win! 😂 Whinge when we spend, whinge when we don't! At least the guy is showing some ambition FFS Wanting the club to invest but simultaneously being skeptical about the fee for a particular linked player are not mutually exclusive positions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 9:40:06 GMT 1
He is the only one I see as a possible sale, annd I hope he doesn’t go. Unfortunately if that happens our back line won’t have improved, unless we have another CB in the pipeline. It’ll weaken our back line and our front line It’s only a rumour. |
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Post by benhomly on Jan 19, 2024 9:49:04 GMT 1
I can't see what's not to like, his goals to game ratio is pretty decent. Hope we get this one over the line. Agreed.iv seen mixed opinions from Watford fans.You will always get that.If you took virtually every player we have and asked fans opinion they would be wide ranging! I think the general consensus and probably feelings of the club are that he suits playing in a two(which tells you we will carry on with that) and that he makes good runs and can finish. The downside is maybe he’s not the most physical,though if he’s with Bojan or the likes will he have to be.Looked to me like he had a yard of pace but that’s from clips in Frances second tier and league 1 so hard to compare.I still feel we need someone to pick those runs out from midfield but maybe that will have to be for the summer. Let’s say he plays 80-85 games over the two and a half year contract and scores 30-35 goals I’d suggest that was money well spent. From the photo physical is exactly what he does look to me. |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 19, 2024 10:18:21 GMT 1
If it is £1-2m we maybe factoring in how much value it adds to other players in the team. If Sorba's crosses started getting converted into goals then it could easily add that much and more onto his value. It starts to allow players to go into their natural positions which hopefully their better/more valuable at for the team and increase the overall squad performance/value. (Are we selling any player and this is a 'splurge' to pacify an outgoing player? Like when Boothy went) Rumours of Helik to Leicester bloody hope not ! He’s too good to be playing in a relegation fight. I haven’t understood why no one has come for him already. |
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Post by Tiro on Jan 19, 2024 10:30:11 GMT 1
Back to it….
A Watford view on Healey from 1.55
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Post by huddshroom on Jan 19, 2024 10:30:56 GMT 1
Think we just aren't used to spending what you actually need to spend in this league as we're used to town getting freebies or cheap from lower leagues.
Anything over a million people seem to think is high on this board but that was standard years ago.
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Post by Norn Iron Terrier on Jan 19, 2024 10:42:28 GMT 1
He is the only one I see as a possible sale, annd I hope he doesn’t go. Unfortunately if that happens our back line won’t have improved, unless we have another CB in the pipeline. It’ll weaken our back line and our front line The front line is what we have 'strengthened' if we sign this player as we already have his defensive 'replacement'. I hope it's in addition. |
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Post by harris on Jan 19, 2024 10:47:02 GMT 1
What’s the deadline to sign him so he’s involved tomorrow? Is it 12pm?
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jan 19, 2024 10:54:46 GMT 1
We should be building our team around Helik, make him captain whatever. I’d be surprised if Leicester think he’s good enough for when they inevitably go up as unlike us they expect to be mid table Prem you’d think Agree with this. Once Leicester go up they will be aiming to push for Europe again. Helik is a fantastic player for us but wouldn’t be good enough for them in 9 months. |
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Post by RickDangerous on Jan 19, 2024 11:04:51 GMT 1
We should be building our team around Helik, make him captain whatever. I’d be surprised if Leicester think he’s good enough for when they inevitably go up as unlike us they expect to be mid table Prem you’d think Agree with this. Once Leicester go up they will be aiming to push for Europe again. Helik is a fantastic player for us but wouldn’t be good enough for them in 9 months. Can imagine someone like Sean Dyche would love Helik, he's too good for bottom end of the championship and no the club will be looking at his age/ contract and thinking of potential sale value. Maybe in the summer. |
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Post by harris on Jan 19, 2024 11:14:56 GMT 1
Suspect this is going to be Healey…
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Post by harris on Jan 19, 2024 11:16:41 GMT 1
We get a great chant now too 🤣
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 19, 2024 12:03:07 GMT 1
Now official
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Post by thomo on Jan 19, 2024 12:04:48 GMT 1
Good news. Hopefully straight into the line up tomorrow
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jan 19, 2024 12:07:14 GMT 1
What we judge his value to us has nothing to do with previous fees/contract length etc.
I’ll never understand why clubs refuse to pay a (reduced) asking price for a player to secure their long term service because their existing contract is winding down.
If we think Healey is worth up to £2m, that’s that.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 19, 2024 12:07:48 GMT 1
Kev is massively living up to his word!
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Post by JuryDefender on Jan 19, 2024 12:13:23 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 12:14:44 GMT 1
great news, well done KN
Lets hope these new signings aren't left on the bench to climatise
Get them on the pitch!
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 19, 2024 12:17:16 GMT 1
What’s the deadline to sign him so he’s involved tomorrow? Is it 12pm? Yes. He's available for selection & will remain so until he inevitably gets injured. |
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